Comments on: Could Molinism Support Universalism http://hereiblog.com/could-molinism-support-universalism/ Christian, southern baptist, theology, reformed, thinking, culture, religion, apologetics, defense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:51:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Randy Everisthttp://hereiblog.com/could-molinism-support-universalism/comment-page-1/#comment-25987 Randy Everist Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:22:38 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/?p=2639#comment-25987 Hi Mark, thanks for the response. My claim, from my comment, is that in order for your argument to be successful, you must posit that there are such counterfactuals, and that they are true, and that they are compossibly true. You evidently do not dispute that. :)Implicitly, my contention is that we have no epistemic justification, given Molinism (which is what the original post presupposes), that there are such counterfactuals that are compossibly true in regards to the unsaved people in the actual world. In fact, you can make the case that we are not in an epistemic position to know if any such individual would come to Christ in any feasible circumstances in which they were instantiated (feasible being defined as above--compossible states of affairs in a complete possible world). Hi Mark, thanks for the response. My claim, from my comment, is that in order for your argument to be successful, you must posit that there are such counterfactuals, and that they are true, and that they are compossibly true. You evidently do not dispute that. :) Implicitly, my contention is that we have no epistemic justification, given Molinism (which is what the original post presupposes), that there are such counterfactuals that are compossibly true in regards to the unsaved people in the actual world. In fact, you can make the case that we are not in an epistemic position to know if any such individual would come to Christ in any feasible circumstances in which they were instantiated (feasible being defined as above–compossible states of affairs in a complete possible world).

]]> By: Markhttp://hereiblog.com/could-molinism-support-universalism/comment-page-1/#comment-25978 Mark Wed, 05 Jan 2011 03:55:13 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/?p=2639#comment-25978 Randy said - <blockquote>However, in order for your argument to hold, you must hold that there are such relevant counterfactuals for each individual that are also compossible with each other.</blockquote> Are you claiming that their are not such relevant counter-factuals for each individual? If so, what do you base this position on? If not, why make the statement? Randy said –
However, in order for your argument to hold, you must hold that there are such relevant counterfactuals for each individual that are also compossible with each other.

Are you claiming that their are not such relevant counter-factuals for each individual? If so, what do you base this position on? If not, why make the statement?

]]> By: Randy Everisthttp://hereiblog.com/could-molinism-support-universalism/comment-page-1/#comment-25976 Randy Everist Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:26:22 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/?p=2639#comment-25976 Interesting thoughts, but your argument suffers at least one (potentially) fatal misstem (and is thus disanalogous). In the case of the Word of God, we know that if A) dictation is not true, and B) counterfactuals of creaturely freedom exist, it is at least feasible that such an account of the inspiration of the Word is true. This is because the Word of God was written, and thus the counterfactual "If Paul were in prison in Rome, he would freely write the book of Galatians" is true on the face of it. However, in order for your argument to hold, you must hold that there are such relevant counterfactuals for each individual that are also compossible with each other. Interesting thoughts, but your argument suffers at least one (potentially) fatal misstem (and is thus disanalogous). In the case of the Word of God, we know that if A) dictation is not true, and B) counterfactuals of creaturely freedom exist, it is at least feasible that such an account of the inspiration of the Word is true. This is because the Word of God was written, and thus the counterfactual “If Paul were in prison in Rome, he would freely write the book of Galatians” is true on the face of it.

However, in order for your argument to hold, you must hold that there are such relevant counterfactuals for each individual that are also compossible with each other.

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