Frank Page: Calvinism Manmade Not Bible-based

by Mark on August 1, 2006

Just scroll down to the bottom of the article Frank Page discusses SBC theological issues.

Many felt that Dr. Page would be a great moderate voice towards the Calvinists in the SBC despite his book The Trouble with TULIP (reviewed here). You can read an interview with Dr. Page in which he states,

I have attempted to be kind to all groups. As I have said in another interview, I have Calvinists within my church with whom I work well. One of my dearest friends in this state is a five-point Calvinist. I can work with almost anyone if they have a sweet spirit, an evangelistic heart, and a commitment to the integrity of God’s Word.

Then we come to the current article in the first link. I’m sure it’s my bias just reacing to his bias, but here goes.

Page said the current debate among Southern Baptists on the issue of Calvinism “has both healthy and negative aspects to it.”

He describes the Patterson-Mohler discussion as a positive theological debate which it was. Well, it was almost a debate. He says it was the “proper forum” and again I agree. So why not do this more often so people can see the true side of the Calvinist. Especially, since those opposing Calvinism seem to forget the long line of Calvnist missionaries as Dr. Page seems to do as we will see in a moment.

“There are some who are drawing lines in the sand and saying you cannot be a Southern Baptist and be a Calvinist. There are Calvinists who are saying we will not rest until every Southern Baptist seminary is five-point Calvinist and all the graduates are five-point Calvinists. So, you’ve got extreme division occurring,” he said.

Why this division? I wish Dr. Page would really look into this and if folks would just follow his position from the interview qouted above we’d not have this problem. Again, we see the forgetfullness of history from folks who think one cannot be a Calvinist and a Southern Baptist.

He believes the Southern Baptists are headed for “tumultuous days” as the hundreds of Calvinistic Southern Baptist seminary students graduate. I wonder if he is refering to those “tumultuous days” because of those who don’t want Calvnism at all or is he placing this potential blame on the Calvinists?

Here is the stinger with the strawman and lack of even a pragmatic look at the history of Calvinistic missionaries.

Page published in 2000 a book, “Trouble with Tulip: A Closer Examination of the Five Points of Calvinism,” critiquing Calvinism which he rejects as based on “manmade” doctrine of Reformation theologian John Calvin, rather than a Bible-based theology. Page also warns that affirmation of Calvinism in churches and denominations leads “inevitably” to diminishing commitment to evangelism.

“Inevitably to diminishing commitment to evangelism”?? “Inevitably”?? What about some of the most visible Calvinists like Dr. Ascol and the Founders movement? Dr. Mohler? How about your “dearest friend” in the state? Manmade? Do you mean the doctrines that came out of the Reformation? Like the Five Solas?

Now he did clarify almost and say,

it’s not accurate to say such is true of all advocates of Calvinism…is willing to work with such Calvinists in SBC life …is willing to appoint such persons to positions of leadership in SBC life.

I can’t understand if Calvinism is so manmade and non-evangelistic why he’d put any Calvinist in any position. I’m sorry, but Dr. Pages words just seem nuanced a bit to me. They hit me like an iron fist in a laced glove. I think we need a history lesson, less strawmen and more proper discussion on these issues.

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  • Dr. James Willingham
    Funny. I talked to a retired southern baptist pastor who use to teach the doctrines of grace in the church where Dr. Page grew up. The pastor then had this pastor (who is not retired) to come in and teach these truths to his people. So I was told. I can tell you that the old southern baptist pastors in many cases knew and preached and taught and lived the Gospel of Sovereign Grace. The TULIP doctrines that Dr. Page is so troubled with are the doctrines that produced the First and Second Great Awakenings and the beginnings of the Great Century of Missions. A little research by Dr. Page would confirm these facts. I have heard many say Sandy Creek was Arminian. The records of the Assn burned up in a fire circa 1800, but there is no doubt as to where they stood. One just has to look at the records of individual churches in Sandy Creek to find the Sovereign Grace Truths writ large. Also, conveniently forgotten, there is the fact that Sandy Creek was accepted by the Regular Baptists of the Philadelphia Assn, that churches in TN est. by Sandy Creek people often adopted the Phila. Conession of Faith (1742), that ministers of the two assns. moved back and forth between the two as messengers and as pastors. For example, not many know that Richard Furman, the great leader of FBC Charleston began his service as a Separate Baptist. His successor was Basil Manley, Sr., also a Separate Baptist and straight from Sandy Creek. I have found that Sovereign Grace, the TULIP truths, are evangelistic, invitational, awakening. The Proof? Just look at and study the Great Awakenings. Funny how the Baptists of Georgia who, following Daniel Marshall, et.al., were very calvinistic were the first to have a missionary. Yes, his name was George Lisle, a Black minister converted under Marshall (if memory serves correctly). He left with the British, when they evacuated Savannah, went to Jamaica and founded the first Baptist church there, a de facto missionary surely. Ain't it something to find out that a decade before Carey, an African American Southern Baptist of the Separate persuasion who was clearly of the calvinistic (I still prefer Sovereign Grace) persuasion became the first missionary from the South? AMAZING! But we do appreciate Bro. Page's attitude. We need more like him on both sides. Now the inventors of such liberalism were the original sovereign grace ministers of VA & NC with the uniting of Separates and Regulars in 1787 and the rule that the practice of preaching that Christ tasted death for every man would be no bar to communion. Such liberalism grows out of the nature and application of Biblical doctrines; it is the intellectual effect of being balanced, flexible, and creative, which is what God intended for His truths to do to His people so they would have the confidence to deal with situations. I pastored a United Baptist Church in MO in the 60s which had been founded in 1827 as a result of the 1787 agreement, and the original articles of faith were strongly and clearly sovereign grace. In our past we really have a heritage that will help us to meet the stresses of disagreement with equanamity (sp?)and win the day by compassionate responses to differences, believing that God's truth can win without our manipulating or using deceptive practices or being authoritarian. After all there is a difference between authoritarian and authoritative. The former is psychologically wanting, while the former is the healthy winsomeness of truth in an appropriate context. Let us choose the right way of love as we look to God for the Third Great Awakening that wins the whole world to Christ,
  • Dr Page is half right. Calvinism is a manmade systematic theology. Dr Page errs over the Bible based issue. Calvinism is totally Bible based, a result of historical-grammatical exegesis of the text of scripture.-->
  • JM... nice blog! Thanks for stopping by mine. I'm finally starting to add all my old stuff to my new Blogger template, so it's starting to look like a blog again. I look forward to checking back at your blog as often as I find time (I'll add you to my blogroll when I edit the links). See you!
  • What I don't understand is why the fuss? If a church comes to believe in the Doctrines of Grace and their denomination doesn't, then why is there this massive overwhelming need to remain in fellowship with churches who strongly disagree?

    There are reformed denominations that are stricly confessional and some churches that are not strictly confessional. A church should be able to find unity with others of like mind.

    If unity of doctrine is important, then why is the desire to remain in one denomination stronger than that? If you don't see unity in doctrine strong enough to not work with churches that are not calvinistic, then calvinistic churches should quit complaining and work with the churches.

    This should never stop dialogue, but if it does, what is stopping them from moving on?
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