Comments on: Hyper-Calvinism and Southern Baptists http://hereiblog.com/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/ Christian theological insights on culture, religion & the latest news from a Southern Baptist for the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:51:23 +0000 hourly 1 By: drjameswillingham http://hereiblog.com/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/comment-page-1/#comment-24131 drjameswillingham Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:57:37 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/2008/06/13/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/#comment-24131 A hyper-calvinist in the technical sense of the term is a person who is a supralapsarian in his position on the order of the decrees. A peron wo holds that position can be just as evangelistic and responsible as any one else. Dr. Campbell who I cited above was a soul-winner par-excellence, a revivalist/evangelist (he once peached a revival in a rural Georgia church and had 100 converts. He also founded the American Race Track Chaplaincy, and Dr. R.G. Lee thought so much of Dr. Campbell that he specified in his will that Dr. Campbell was to preach his funeral. What most people mean by hyper-calvinist is some one who is really basically a fatalist (and it is realy just self-justification for laziness). My heart's cry to God is for a Third Great Awakening, the one that wins the whole earth in one generation and then for a thousand generations after that. And I said win, not force, compel as in love so wonderful that one wouldn't want to resist it and couldn't resist it. After all, all of us want love and the truth and the right to win by methods of the highest and greatest integrity...which is what agape love isall about. A hyper-calvinist in the technical sense of the term is a person who is a supralapsarian in his position on the order of the decrees. A peron wo holds that position can be just as evangelistic and responsible as any one else. Dr. Campbell who I cited above was a soul-winner par-excellence, a revivalist/evangelist (he once peached a revival in a rural Georgia church and had 100 converts. He also founded the American Race Track Chaplaincy, and Dr. R.G. Lee thought so much of Dr. Campbell that he specified in his will that Dr. Campbell was to preach his funeral. What most people mean by hyper-calvinist is some one who is really basically a fatalist (and it is realy just self-justification for laziness). My heart's cry to God is for a Third Great Awakening, the one that wins the whole earth in one generation and then for a thousand generations after that. And I said win, not force, compel as in love so wonderful that one wouldn't want to resist it and couldn't resist it. After all, all of us want love and the truth and the right to win by methods of the highest and greatest integrity…which is what agape love isall about.

]]> By: drjameswillingham http://hereiblog.com/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/comment-page-1/#comment-23755 drjameswillingham Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:57:37 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/2008/06/13/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/#comment-23755 A hyper-calvinist in the technical sense of the term is a person who is a supralapsarian in his position on the order of the decrees. A peron wo holds that position can be just as evangelistic and responsible as any one else. Dr. Campbell who I cited above was a soul-winner par-excellence, a revivalist/evangelist (he once peached a revival in a rural Georgia church and had 100 converts. He also founded the American Race Track Chaplaincy, and Dr. R.G. Lee thought so much of Dr. Campbell that he specified in his will that Dr. Campbell was to preach his funeral. What most people mean by hyper-calvinist is some one who is really basically a fatalist (and it is realy just self-justification for laziness). My heart's cry to God is for a Third Great Awakening, the one that wins the whole earth in one generation and then for a thousand generations after that. And I said win, not force, compel as in love so wonderful that one wouldn't want to resist it and couldn't resist it. After all, all of us want love and the truth and the right to win by methods of the highest and greatest integrity...which is what agape love isall about. A hyper-calvinist in the technical sense of the term is a person who is a supralapsarian in his position on the order of the decrees. A peron wo holds that position can be just as evangelistic and responsible as any one else. Dr. Campbell who I cited above was a soul-winner par-excellence, a revivalist/evangelist (he once peached a revival in a rural Georgia church and had 100 converts. He also founded the American Race Track Chaplaincy, and Dr. R.G. Lee thought so much of Dr. Campbell that he specified in his will that Dr. Campbell was to preach his funeral. What most people mean by hyper-calvinist is some one who is really basically a fatalist (and it is realy just self-justification for laziness). My heart's cry to God is for a Third Great Awakening, the one that wins the whole earth in one generation and then for a thousand generations after that. And I said win, not force, compel as in love so wonderful that one wouldn't want to resist it and couldn't resist it. After all, all of us want love and the truth and the right to win by methods of the highest and greatest integrity…which is what agape love isall about.

]]> By: bereansearch http://hereiblog.com/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/comment-page-1/#comment-22601 bereansearch Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:36:39 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/2008/06/13/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/#comment-22601 Look to Spurgeon and find out what Hypercalvinist and Calvinist really means before you begin to speak of things you don't even understand the meaning of. Calvinists believe the tenants affirmed at the Synod of Dort.<br>.<br>1.) They believe in a responsibility to evangelize.<br>2.) They believe evangelism is God's appointed means.<br>3.) They believe in a personal responsibility to repent and believe.<br>4.) They believe that a truly saved person will not fail to be sanctified (grow in holiness) by work of the Holy Spirit.<br>.<br>Hypercalvinists deny any or all 4 of those things. True, or classical Calvinists HATE Hypercalvinism. Look to Spurgeon and find out what Hypercalvinist and Calvinist really means before you begin to speak of things you don't even understand the meaning of. Calvinists believe the tenants affirmed at the Synod of Dort.
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1.) They believe in a responsibility to evangelize.
2.) They believe evangelism is God's appointed means.
3.) They believe in a personal responsibility to repent and believe.
4.) They believe that a truly saved person will not fail to be sanctified (grow in holiness) by work of the Holy Spirit.
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Hypercalvinists deny any or all 4 of those things. True, or classical Calvinists HATE Hypercalvinism.

]]> By: bereansearch http://hereiblog.com/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/comment-page-1/#comment-22598 bereansearch Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:28:53 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/2008/06/13/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/#comment-22598 The problem is that people use the term "Hyper-Calvinist" flippantly, and do not even know what the term means. They have re-invented the term "Hyper-Calvinist" to mean things it never meant, taking any existing meaning away from the word. You don't have to take my word on it, take Charles Haddon Spurgeon's. In his day the meaning of words wasn't as skewed and twisted as they have been today.<br>. <br>1.) Hypercalvinism is NOT Calvinism.<br>.<br>2.) Hypercalvinists DO NOT believe they have a responsibility to Evangelize.<br>.<br>3.) Hypercalvinists, in their worst form, DO NOT believe in a personal responsibility to repent and believe.<br>.<br>4.) Hypercalvinists DO NOT necessarily believe that all Christian will be sanctified by the Holy Spirit.<br>. (That is to say, that they will not, without exception, grow in holiness while here on earth.)<br>.<br>.<br>Now.... About Calvinism....<br>.<br>A.) Calvinists DO believe in their responsibility to Evangelize, and that it is the means that God ordains to work through, by the power of His Spirit.<br>.<br>B.) Calvinists DO believe in personal responsibility to repent and believe.<br>.<br>C.) Calvinists DO believe that all TRUE Christians will not fail to be sanctified and grow in holiness, by the work of the Holy Spirit.<br>.<br>D.) True or classical Calvinists HATE Hypercalvinism.<br>.<br>Let us get these essentials straight before we go talking about this belief and that and what so and so believes and doesn't. I know there are "Moderate-Calvinists" that disagree with what Calvinism means, and even twist the words of Calvin to match their twisted thoughts, but the Synod of Dort was clear in its statements. Let's let men like Spurgeon, John Gill, and John Dagg tell us Baptists what it means and realize that Dort systemized it, not Calvin. He wasn't even a baptist, never the less, though his words might be taken out of context, by his own statements, "TULIP" is what he believed as well. The problem is that people use the term “Hyper-Calvinist” flippantly, and do not even know what the term means. They have re-invented the term “Hyper-Calvinist” to mean things it never meant, taking any existing meaning away from the word. You don't have to take my word on it, take Charles Haddon Spurgeon's. In his day the meaning of words wasn't as skewed and twisted as they have been today.
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1.) Hypercalvinism is NOT Calvinism.
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2.) Hypercalvinists DO NOT believe they have a responsibility to Evangelize.
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3.) Hypercalvinists, in their worst form, DO NOT believe in a personal responsibility to repent and believe.
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4.) Hypercalvinists DO NOT necessarily believe that all Christian will be sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
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Now…. About Calvinism….
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A.) Calvinists DO believe in their responsibility to Evangelize, and that it is the means that God ordains to work through, by the power of His Spirit.
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B.) Calvinists DO believe in personal responsibility to repent and believe.
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C.) Calvinists DO believe that all TRUE Christians will not fail to be sanctified and grow in holiness, by the work of the Holy Spirit.
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D.) True or classical Calvinists HATE Hypercalvinism.
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Let us get these essentials straight before we go talking about this belief and that and what so and so believes and doesn't. I know there are “Moderate-Calvinists” that disagree with what Calvinism means, and even twist the words of Calvin to match their twisted thoughts, but the Synod of Dort was clear in its statements. Let's let men like Spurgeon, John Gill, and John Dagg tell us Baptists what it means and realize that Dort systemized it, not Calvin. He wasn't even a baptist, never the less, though his words might be taken out of context, by his own statements, “TULIP” is what he believed as well.

]]> By: Dr. James Willingham http://hereiblog.com/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/comment-page-1/#comment-2278 Dr. James Willingham Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:24:12 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/2008/06/13/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/#comment-2278 Sirs: The late Dr. Ernest R. Campbell, my ordaining pastor and the only minister that Dr. R. G. Lee put in his will as the one he insisted upon by law as the person to preach his funeral, would say from the pulpit and person to person, "I am a supralapsarian, a hyper calvinist." Interestingly enough, Dr. Campbell founded the American Race Track Chaplaincy (see Who's Who in Religion, 2nd edn. Chicago: Marquis, Pubs., 1977), served many good churches, had many called to preach under his ministry, won many souls to Christ, preached one revival in a country church in Georgia where one hundred souls were savingly converted. Preached one of the greatest sermons I ever heard on the Great Supper (Lk 14) as an evangelistic message. Dr. Campbell was a real theologian, on who knew and understood th subtleties of theology. Most of us are like a bunch of kids playing on the school grounds, getting our feelings hurt, smacking one another, etc. It's just kid stuff among God's children who are growing up. When we learn to love one another in spite of our limited understandings, then we will find ourselves much closer to that great day of the consummation, when the whole earth will be filled with His knowledge and glory as the waters cover the sea. The final awakening of the whole earth in one generation and a thousand generations will not be enough to provide Christ with te abundance of children that He should have. Sirs: The late Dr. Ernest R. Campbell, my ordaining pastor and the only minister that Dr. R. G. Lee put in his will as the one he insisted upon by law as the person to preach his funeral, would say from the pulpit and person to person, “I am a supralapsarian, a hyper calvinist.” Interestingly enough, Dr. Campbell founded the American Race Track Chaplaincy (see Who’s Who in Religion, 2nd edn. Chicago: Marquis, Pubs., 1977), served many good churches, had many called to preach under his ministry, won many souls to Christ, preached one revival in a country church in Georgia where one hundred souls were savingly converted. Preached one of the greatest sermons I ever heard on the Great Supper (Lk 14) as an evangelistic message. Dr. Campbell was a real theologian, on who knew and understood th subtleties of theology. Most of us are like a bunch of kids playing on the school grounds, getting our feelings hurt, smacking one another, etc. It’s just kid stuff among God’s children who are growing up. When we learn to love one another in spite of our limited understandings, then we will find ourselves much closer to that great day of the consummation, when the whole earth will be filled with His knowledge and glory as the waters cover the sea. The final awakening of the whole earth in one generation and a thousand generations will not be enough to provide Christ with te abundance of children that He should have.

]]> By: Summarizing the Gospel? | Sweet Tea & Theology http://hereiblog.com/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/comment-page-1/#comment-1131 Summarizing the Gospel? | Sweet Tea & Theology Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:15:49 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/2008/06/13/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/#comment-1131 [...] the Gospel? from last year, Nathan Finn’s post on the most pressing issues in the SBC and my recent observations that a form of Pelagianism may be a serious issue. The point is that if the above statement, which [...] [...] the Gospel? from last year, Nathan Finn’s post on the most pressing issues in the SBC and my recent observations that a form of Pelagianism may be a serious issue. The point is that if the above statement, which [...]

]]> By: ABClay http://hereiblog.com/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/comment-page-1/#comment-1080 ABClay Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:07:19 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/2008/06/13/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/#comment-1080 That link don't work... Try <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiNEJNCoAbg&eurl=http://timmybrister.com/2007/11/26/cowardly-calvinists/" rel="nofollow">this</a> one. Sorry for the goof. ABClay That link don’t work…

Try this one.

Sorry for the goof.

ABClay

]]> By: ABClay http://hereiblog.com/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/comment-page-1/#comment-1079 ABClay Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:03:54 +0000 http://hereiblog.com/2008/06/13/hyper-calvinism-and-southern-baptists/#comment-1079 Boy oh Boy... Paul Washer at FBCW...wander if he is going to do anything like<a HREF="http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiNEJNCoAbg&eurl=http://timmybrister.com/2007/11/26/cowardly-calvinists/" rel="nofollow">this.</A> Nice read... Interesting about Olsen's quote. I think that you hit the nail on the head about ignorance and I believe that most rank and file "christians" don't know that they are holding heretical beliefs. Grace and Peace... ABClay Boy oh Boy…

Paul Washer at FBCW…wander if he is going to do anything likethis.

Nice read… Interesting about Olsen’s quote. I think that you hit the nail on the head about ignorance and I believe that most rank and file “christians” don’t know that they are holding heretical beliefs.

Grace and Peace…

ABClay

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