John Piper and Rick Warren on the gospel

Recently it’s been stated as confirmed that Rick Warren will be speaking at John Piper’s National Desiring God Conference for 2010. I thought it would be interesting to hear each of them on the gospel. I believe the videos are a few years old.

I’m curious about whether or not people think we can be comfortable with these two men at a conference together. Are the differences in the videos theologically substantial? Is one more applicable than the other? More biblical? Does the presentation and application matter that much? Any other thoughts? What can we learn from each man?

John Piper on the gospel.

Rick Warren on the gospel.

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The above article was posted on March 31, 2010 by Mark Lamprecht.
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1 John Jordan March 31, 2010 at 5:03 pm

I’m seriously hoping that this is just some big early April Fools joke. We’ve been to the DG conference for 4 straight years now. If this truly is going to happen, we will listen to Piper’s reasoning, but right now, this seriously may cause us to stay home this year.

2 Mark Lamprecht March 31, 2010 at 7:31 pm

FYI, Piper gives reason why he is inviting Warren to the conference. Check this post for the audio.

3 Sam March 31, 2010 at 8:20 pm

Can you point out where the egregious heresy begins in the Rick Warren video? I must have missed it.

4 paula March 31, 2010 at 8:40 pm

Sam’s question is a very good reason why JP should not invite RW.

5 Paula March 31, 2010 at 8:42 pm

Yes, and I am listening to him right now on Desiring God Live explaining it again, and even more alarmed this time. HE JUST PRAISED RW’s legalistic pietistic membership covenants. RW is the biggest church dividers in recent history.

6 Richard March 31, 2010 at 8:47 pm

Did you note the promise of eternal security from having said a prayer? The “if you’ve said those words you’ve ticked the box you’re in” mentality?

That’s not the gospel.

7 Mark Lamprecht March 31, 2010 at 9:26 pm

Sam, are you asking me? I posted so people could listen and give feedback for themselves.

8 abclay March 31, 2010 at 9:41 pm

The whole world had turned upside down. Billy Graham lost his “marbles” with age, perhaps this is happening to Piper? Maybe this is some kind of “penance” for Piper that has to do with his time off?

Warren is not biblically sound and he has the gospel wrong. What fellowship does light have with darkness?

Message to Piper: Edwards would not approve!

9 MRWBBIII March 31, 2010 at 9:47 pm

PIED PIPER JOHN INVITES RICK WARREN HERETIC TO DG 2010

FIRST THE CLOSE WORK WITH EMERGENT CHURCH MARK DRISCOLL FOLLOWED BY A 8 MONTH LEAVE FROM MINISTRY DUE TO ” UNNAMED PRIDE ..? ” NOW HIS DESIRING GOD CONFERENCE HAS NOTED HERETIC PROSPERITY GOSPEL MONEY HUNGRY MEGACHURCH AUTHOR RICK WARREN AS A SPEAKER. WHAT’S SAD IS SO MANY YOUTH OF TODAY PASTORS OF TOMORROW FOLLOW PIPER’S HEDONIST DOCTRINE OF PREACHING TEACHING & WRITINGS ! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH JOHN, COME BACK TO YOUR FIRST LOVE !!

MRWBBIII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJmkk1XjrGw

10 Mark Lamprecht March 31, 2010 at 10:41 pm

MRWBBIII, first, please don’t type in all caps. Next, Driscoll is not emergent. Now, Piper may take a sabbatical if he likes. You seem to be making a veiled allegation that Piper is not telling the truth about his reasoning or there is some greater sin. This is wrong and you are in no position to accuse Dr. Piper in such a manner. He didn’t have to tell anyone of us anything to begin with.

You might not like Warren’s doctrine or approach, I admit that I have my own reservations. However, he is far from a prosperity preacher. As I understand it, Warren gave all of the money back that his church has ever paid him and does not take a salary now. That is hardly a prosperity preaching money hungry pastor.

Seems like you owe these men an apology for the unsubstantiated claims. Even if you were correct, do you really think this is the best way to get their ear? Or, even to get the attention of those who are influenced by them?

I know people have disagreed with Piper’s Christian hedonism, but I am unpersuaded. Besides, how far back to you want Piper to go since he’s been preaching this way for quite a while.

Please don’t come back if you cannot express yourself reasonably. Thanks.

11 Aaron Armstrong March 31, 2010 at 10:49 pm

Mark, just ignore the guy – he’s posted that same “sermon jam” nonsense on my blog a couple of times now; he’s just trolling.

12 abclay March 31, 2010 at 10:54 pm

Def Troll….

Anyways, I see a huge difference between Driscol and Warren.

13 Jeff March 31, 2010 at 11:24 pm

I will go because John has asked Rick to speak. I admire both men.

14 Reg Schofield March 31, 2010 at 11:26 pm

This is a bit strange. I haven’t cared for Warrens writings from the beginning , and have always considered his type of approach ,christian lite and very pragmatic. The whole purpose driven movement seemed burdensome and much of the book used scripture very loosely. The videos themselves mark a different approach to presenting the gospel. Warren is perhaps a swell guy ,and no I do not consider him a heretic but his methodology just doesn’t fit well with me. I guess the words are coming a bit hard because I’m a bit dumb founded . It will interesting to see how this will unfold in many reformed circles .

15 Sam April 1, 2010 at 8:39 pm

Wow, that’s your answer? It’s a “mentality” that you don’t like. I must have missed all the content in the Bible that talk about your mentality, and how critical it is to whether you are saved or not.

16 Sam April 1, 2010 at 8:41 pm

No, not to you, because you didn’t put a slant on anything that I could tell. It’s more of a reponse to the smug, ridiculously self-righteous comments on this post as well as JT’s on this subject. I’d find it pretty hilarious if it wasn’t so alarming.

17 Sam April 1, 2010 at 8:45 pm

By the way, are you denying the simple fact that if you confess and believe your are saved? Paul would be so disappointed. The Gospel really isn’t that complicated, although men have been trying to make God’s message more complicated in the interest of proving how “right” they are for a long time (Pharisees anyone?).

18 MRWBBBIII April 1, 2010 at 9:59 pm

PIPER’S THE PREACHING CONFERENCE TROLL !!

19 MRWBBIII April 1, 2010 at 10:12 pm

If you say it publicly I can admonish & warn christians publicly, btw what is a vintage jesus..? that Mark teaches about.How is leaving your job for 8 months in pastoring a benifit to the flock, retire already- Warren does not need money, nor does anyone with fame & power. P.S. When have you prayed with Obama in person before? I accept Piper’s apology and Warren would have to stop all his social justice programs and preach the gospel before i would not warn Christians of his drivel- I’ll dust my feet, thx-

20 Benjamin Davenport April 3, 2010 at 3:12 am

I don’t actually have too much of a problem with Warren’s presentation of the Gospel here. The problem with him is that he is inconsistent in his presentation of the Gospel. It seems like he becomes a chameleon, where he accurately represents whoever he’s hanging out with at the time, and if they don’t have a spiritual belief, he uses whatever gimmick it takes to “get them in”. We’ve all seen the Foxnews interview with Warren, with Warren offering Jesus with a 60-day money-back guarantee. What a way to treat Jesus. But everyone makes mistakes, right? Warren’s problems, however, are scattered throughout his ministry.

Michael Horton does a much better job (and he’s a lot more humble than me) in explaining his view on Piper’s invitation to Warren:
https://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/425.html

21 Mark Lamprecht April 3, 2010 at 4:43 pm

Benjamin, thanks for stopping by. First, I want to say that Rick Warren is not the anti-Christ. And I agree Dr. Horton does a good job of expressing his concern. We will how God uses all of this as history unfolds. This doesn’t mean I’m not concerned at all, but I pray that God is glorified in all of this. There are people on both sides that need to repent and re-evaluate their attitudes and approach. None of us know, but this may be a great chance for some unity in the body of Christ.

22 mattsvoboda April 5, 2010 at 2:20 pm

I’ll say this- and Im not kidding.

Never have I tried to go to a DG conference before, but I will this year.

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