Sin Sells But Who’s Buying?

Sin sells, but who’s buying?  If we were to answer this question based on the recent success of Katy Perry today vs. Katy Perry Hudson several years ago, I’d say that many are buying.  Just consider the two Christianity Today articles from back in 2001 and today in 2008.  It seems as though Hudson, though appealing in her music, came and went.  While Perry spent some time at no. 1.

Who cares, though, right?  I do for one.  And, well, her parents apparently do according to the recent Christianity Today article linked above.  Quoting the artist’s mother.

I hate the song… It clearly promotes homosexuality and its message is shameful and disgusting. Katy knows how I feel. We are a very outspoken family.

I can’t even listen to that song. The first time I heard it I was in total shock. When it comes on the radio I bow my head and pray.

Good for her mother for saying something.  How many musicians grow up in a Christian home only to go on to be some sort of sexual icon and the parents either join them or stay silent?  It’s nice to finally see someone stand up and speak.

So why do I care?  I don’t particularly care for the influence this stuff has, especially, one teens.  More especially, since I have a teen daughter.  The Pew Forum study this year found that 78.4% of Americans consider themselves to be Christians.  So why won’t parents step-up and stop buying this type of music?  Are we really so busy that we can’t stop and see what our kids are doing?  Can we be a little more involved in their lives?

See, if parents don’t buy then records don’t sell and the exposure has a better chance of being minimized.  I’ve talked to parents with kids my daughter’s age and they are surprised that I don’t just lie down and let the daughter have whatever she wants with no discernment.  I’ve heard several “but” responses to which I say, “BUT, I’m the parent.”  Parents don’t normally let their kids have just or do anything and everything without using some type of discernment.  Feeding, clothing and caring for your child doesn’t stop at the fridge, clothing store and first aid kit.  Those are minor issues compared to what they are going to face.

For what it’s worth…

Mark

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1 CD-Host November 18, 2011 at 10:54 pm

BTW on the gay point. Let me just point out this post as a perfect example. Notice the language you quote approvingly

“I hate the song… It clearly promotes homosexuality and its message is shameful and disgusting.”

Which is pretty much saying that homosexuality is shameful and disgusting.

And there is an example from your own blog.

2 Mark November 18, 2011 at 11:24 pm

Christians should not desire to promote homosexuality nor any sin. What message did Perry’s mother say was shameful and disgusting?

I would expect a Christian to speak out against their child singing about any of the sins listed in the following passage.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
(1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV)

3 Ken Cook November 18, 2011 at 11:27 pm

Whats wrong with the belief that homosexuality is shameful and disgusting? Would you not say rape or pedophilia are shameful and disgusting? Or are those terms not for sexual behavior?

4 CD-Host November 19, 2011 at 12:00 am

Mark —

Your question in the other thread was about how inaccurate you saw the video. You now are have a clear cut case of a woman publicly making a virulently anti-homosexual comment, you having applauded it and now standing behind it. If Katy Perry had written a song about kissing a black guy and her mother had said something like:

I hate the song… It clearly promotes interracial dating and could lead to miscegenation. The message is shameful and disgusting. Katy knows how I feel. We are a very outspoken family.

You would consider the mother to be a racist.

Your point now is that anti-homosexuality is a good thing, rather than something Christians are unjustifiably accused of. I will agree that 1Cor 6:9-10 is fairly good biblical support. If Christians wanted to walk away from it, they could easily nit pick they like do with other biblical doctrines they don’t like. For example there is one reference where arsenokoites (what you are using for homosexual) refers to a woman doing pegging to a man. It is definitely used for male on female anal sex. It also seems to have a financial overtone that the English word homosexual does not. A translation like “male prostitute” in place of “men who practice homosexuality” or possibly even “sex slave trader” would eliminate the problem.

Translations and understandings change once Christian communities want change. I’m not here to argue the bible with you on this weak case though. And the ESV is terrible to woman, it certainly isn’t going to gay friendly.

5 Mark November 19, 2011 at 12:26 am

Red-herring. I’m talking about sin not interracial marriage. Plus, Katy Perry’s mother did not say the things that the characters in the video said. I suppose it’s okay to caricature Christians though, right?

6 CD-Host November 19, 2011 at 12:28 am

Whats wrong with the belief that homosexuality is shameful and disgusting? Would you not say rape or pedophilia are shameful and disgusting? Or are those terms not for sexual behavior?

Ken when rape victims and children assaulted by pedophiles talk about how loving their relationships are, how these relationships give their life meaning and how they would like the right to marry their rapist / pedophiles I’ll be happy to group homosexuals, rapists and pedophiles together. Otherwise homosexuality is to rape and pedophilia as food is to poison.

7 CD-Host November 19, 2011 at 12:35 am

Plus, Katy Perry’s mother did not say the things that the characters in the video said.

I disagree. I think she said exactly the same sorts of things the people in the video said. Heck Ken said something far worse than what the characters in the video said.

I suppose it’s okay to caricature Christians though, right?

You asked a question, here is an example. You want to know why you are seen that way. Opinions like this. “I’m talking about sin not interracial marriage” talking about homosexuality as sin is the problem.

If the sentence would be racist when applied to blacks, it is anti-gay when applied to gays. Racists frequently object to everyone caring too much about their subtle distinctions either.

8 Ken Cook November 19, 2011 at 12:39 am

CD-Host:

You didn’t answer my question but rather avoided it. Why is it wrong to say homosexuality is shameful and disgusting? Why are you so intolerant of a different perspective?

9 CD-Host November 19, 2011 at 12:56 am

You didn’t answer my question but rather avoided it. Why is it wrong to say homosexuality is shameful and disgusting? Why are you so intolerant of a different perspective?

The question Mark asked on another thread was why was Christianity being associated with gay suicide. The original thread took a position that Christians weren’t engaged in harassment and persecution. Your position seems to be that harassment and persecution are a good thing.

There is no objective criteria here. If a guy went around talking about how Jews run the economy, and Jews are really demonic creatures in human shells and Hitler had the right idea with the Zyklon-B. I think most people would consider that a bad thing. If you wouldn’t then there is no reason you should have qualms about gay bashing speech either. If you are willing to accept that there is something inherently wrong with racism or anti-Semitism then the same arguments apply. Of course their are subtle differences but none that are terribly meaningful. The racists and the anti-Semites both had good biblical defenses too.

But if Katy Perry had that sort of mother to make the anti-Black version, very few people would celebrate her comments. We have a society where very few forms of that sort of speech are considered socially acceptable, and thankfully with regarding to homosexuals it is rapidly becoming less so. Things like the video is how that message is sent.

As for my intolerance… I think there is enough bad stuff in the world without people creating stupid divisions over nothing. My general rule is when it comes to other people’s personal lives should either be supportive or shut up. If gays were a powerful majority and they were mocking vaginal sex, as shameful and disgusting that would equally wrong.

10 Ken Cook November 19, 2011 at 10:48 am

“Your position seems to be that harassment and persecution are a good thing.”
No, I asked a Question and your Answer was:
“There is no objective criteria here”

Given that You have no basis other then your opinion. What makes your Opinion Correct?

You say Racism is inherently Wrong, How do you Know that Homosexuality isn’t Inherently Wrong? What Makes Racism Inherently Wrong? Please Provide an example of a consistent defense of racism from the bible, which says we all come from the same parents and thus are the same race.

“My general rule is when it comes to other people’s personal lives should either be supportive or shut up.” Are you being Supportive of my personal View?

11 CD-Host November 19, 2011 at 6:37 pm

Please Provide an example of a consistent defense of racism from the bible, which says we all come from the same parents and thus are the same race.

A defense of Virginia by Dabney is a good example of a biblical defense. As for the same parents, the racists just didn’t attach the same importance to Adam and Eve and focused instead on the next dozen generations, see curse of ham.

What Makes Racism Inherently Wrong?

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That is an objective moral principle, supported by culture, religion, game theory, instinct….

“My general rule is when it comes to other people’s personal lives should either be supportive or shut up.” Are you being Supportive of my personal View?

I don’t say supportive of other people’s views I said supportive of their personal lives. And this was an activity in the public, not private sphere. Once you aim to influence public policy effecting other people’s lives it becomes a matter of public not private interest. And, yes that works both ways.

12 Jonathan Pearson November 22, 2011 at 11:20 am

@CD-Cook,

I don’t understand why you are bothering to comment here. It is quite obvious that this is a Christian blog and, as Bible-believing Christians, we believe homosexuality to be wrong. I believe that homosexuality is a sin, just as rape, pedophilia, and pre-marital sex are sins. If you don’t want to see homosexuality as a sin because of the act itself, look at it from a different angle. For the majority of the country, homosexual marriage is not allowed. Therefore, anyone who engages in homosexual intercourse, without being married, would be guilty of pre-marital sex and, as stated above, would be engaging in sin. The Bible is quite clear on God’s plan for sex and marriage and your disagreement with what it says does not change the facts.

13 CD-Host November 22, 2011 at 1:56 pm

Jonathan —

First off you have a terrible attitude for a would be pastor. Seriously deliberately getting my name wrong for name calling, what are you 9? Anyway, the reason is exactly what I said to Ken. Mark had complained about a video accusing Christianity of being the idealogical underpinning of anti-gay bullying. I wanted to point out an example on his own blog of precisely that.

And then of course a 1/2 dozen of you have all joined in strengthening my point. And yes I’m well aware how you choose to interpret your holy book.

14 Mark November 22, 2011 at 2:10 pm

CD, the problem is that you’ve not proven anything, but you have made a lot of assertions.

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