The Shack Review

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A friend from church wrote a brief review of The Shack that touches on some key points as to why we should be cautious about this book.  Or maybe even disregard it all together.  He gave me permission to share this review.

SHACK ATTACK – OR A CALL TO DISCERNMENT?

Discernment is not simply a matter of telling the difference between what is right and wrong; rather it is the difference between right and almost right.” -Charles Spurgeon

At the encouragement of friends, I recently read The Shack by William P. Young. A national bestseller widely embraced by some churches and many professing Christians, The  Shack is a work of fiction that embodies lengthy conversations between the main character, a man named Mack, and three persons who represent a version of the Trinity.

Frankly, I was dismayed at many messages conveyed by The Shack and have been surprised that many of my Christian friends have read the book uncritically, finding it a charming and heart-warming story. Some say that it is unfair to have theological expectations since the book is fiction. However, The Shack is marketed as a spiritually transforming book, and it being received that way by many.

It seems to me that a more critical reading is required of The Shack than a secular work of fiction because the author creates characters that purport to speak as God and to guide Mack on his spiritual journey. The fictional story becomes a device to have characters representing the Godhead explain a particular theology. As believers, our spiritual antennas should be fully deployed when we approach such a book.

In The Shack, God the Father appears to Mack as a large, jovial black woman whom Mack calls “Papa.” The Holy Spirit appears as a small Asian woman, and Jesus appears as a Jewish man. Putting aside gender confusion and the attempt to give human form and voice to the Father and Holy Spirit (“no man hath seen God at any time,” John 1:8), it is critical for the Christian reader to carefully consider the message author Young has those voices bring and to weigh their message in the light of the clear teaching of the Bible. That is to exercise discernment, a requirement – not an option – for Christians.

When we read The Shack with discernment, I submit that we find many distortions and untruths. Consider just a few of the words Young puts in the mouths of his created Trinity (my comments are within the parentheses):

Papa to Mack: “We [the Trinity] have limited ourselves out of respect for you.” (Isn’t this Open Theism – God choosing to limit Himself?)

Jesus: “God, who is the ground of all being, dwells in, around, and through all things . . .” (Isn’t this Pantheism – God in all things?)

Sarayu (Young’s Sanscrit name for the Holy Spirit): “We [the Trinity] carefully respect your choices, so we work within your systems even while we seek to free you from them.” (“Neither are your ways my ways . . . my ways are higher than your ways.” Isaiah 55:8-9. Does God respect man’s choices, or does His Word demand that we repent of our ways and that we enter His narrow way?)

Sarayu: “Both evil and darkness can only be understood in relation to Light and Good; they do not have any actual existence . . . Light and Good actually exist.” (Really? Does the Bible teach that evil has no actual existence? Was the biblical Jesus aware of that when He conversed with Satan in the desert temptation?)

Papa: “I don’t need to punish people for sin Sin is its own punishment, devouring you from the inside. It is not my purpose to punish it; it’s my joy to cure it.” (Certainly there are consequences of our sin which we realize in this life and which impact other people. And certainly God has provided the cure for sin. That “cure” is the penal substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross. Most certainly there is punishment for sin. Christ suffered the punishment for us. However, the implication of Papa’s statement is that the only punishment for sin is sin’s own punishment in a person’s life. The Bible is clear that punishment for the unredeemed, those who refuse Christ’s atonement, is the sting of spiritual death and eternal separation from God. The Shack makes light work of the cross.)

Young’s Jesus character states that he, Papa, and Sarayu are “indeed submitted to one another and have always been so and always will be . . . . In fact, we [the Trinity] are submitted to you [Mack] in the same way.” (Why, then, did the biblical Jesus submit Himself to the will of His father? Does the Bible teach submission to authority in spiritual and family and secular environments? What do you make of the claim that the Trinity is submitted to us? I believe that Young’s anti-authoritarianism is risky in human terms and that it is blasphemous to attribute such egalitarian sentiments to God.)

When requested by Papa to forgive the murderer of his young daughter, Mack balks. Papa says, “Mack, for you to forgive this man is for you to release him to me and allow me to redeem him.” (So God can only redeem those whom humans have forgiven and have released to God for redemption? The effectiveness of redemption for the unrepentant murderer is to be accomplished with Mack’s participation? Find biblical support for that, my friends!)

Christian, what about this assertion by the Jesus of The Shack? “I am the best way any human can relate to Papa or Sarayu.” (This is a false Jesus. The Jesus Christ of the Bible does not say that He is the best way, He says, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me.” John 14:16. He is not the best way – He is the only way.)

The Shack evidences a low regard for Scripture. When Mack mentions biblical events or concepts, Papa brushes them off and glibly explains how it really is, thus suggesting that the Bible is the work of man, not the divinely inspired work of God. Yet, some argue that The Shack has value in that it demonstrates a loving God of grace who invites man to a relationship. But it does so with grievous distortions about the nature of God, the nature of the Trinity, the authority of God’s Word, God’s hatred of sin, the requirement of repentance, and the nature of conversion and salvation.

My brothers and sisters, even in reading and discussing a work of fiction, we must be prepared to “contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3), and to do so without apology to the world. The Shack may, from its human author’s viewpoint, be in all sincerity intended as an inviting look at a highly relational God, but would you place even a drop of poison in pure water and invite others to drink? As Dr. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said, The Shack “contains undiluted heresy.” Don’t you and I have a responsibility to be equipped to recognize heresy and to shine the light of truth so that we and others are not deceived?

- Wayne Elliott

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p.s. I addressed some of the objections to this review: Is the Shack Only Fiction?

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The above article was posted on August 8, 2008


492 comments
Dallas NFA Trust
Dallas NFA Trust

After several friends challenged me to read the book again (I assume they wanted me to upgrade The Shack to five stars), I indeed read it a second time. I don't personally believe it is well written

ctrevino
ctrevino

regardless of all the judgement concerning anyone's comments on here i am still going to post this. I had a friend call me today and told me that I was going to laugh at him. I asked why. He stated that he had read this book and it opened his eyes. A few years ago my friend was serving in afghanistan when he received a call that his father had killed my friends mother and sister and then his father turned the gun on himself and took his own life as well. My friend was only 22 yrs old when this happened. He was alone and had no close family. He turned to drinking and just doing stupid things that could have gotten him killed and put into jail. The house was sold and he would show up on their front yard drunk and falling all over the place. He moved here to San Antonio to live with his aunt in an effort to take him away from the place where the killings happened. Anyway long story short... He has not had a drink in about a month and when I talked to him he told me about this book and how it helped him to forgive his father for what he had done to his family. As a result of finally forgiving his father he has stopped drinking and wants to start a relationship with god.

I think that we should focus more on the positive of this book rather than arguing your beliefs and your points. That to me is so selfish. If this book has the power to change someone like my friend then I would recommend it to everyone I know. We are all God's creation and God didn't make us all the same for a reason. We all have our opinions but our opinions should not be thrown out to prove who's right and who is wrong. We do not have that power to judge. Some of us believe more than others but why put labels on people when we all BELIEVE IN ONE GOD! That is the reason why this world is divided. Too many people want to FORCE people to believe in EXACTLY what they believe in and it shouldn't be that way.

Carl D. Nelson Jr.
Carl D. Nelson Jr.

I come from a line of preachers, my father, My uncles, My grandfather, were all preachers. My father was an Evangelists and I spent day in and day out of church. I’ve read The Shack and I fully understand the point that most are trying to make here. This is a fiction story yes, and it does outline a one on one relationship with God. I’ve read most of the comments that were posted on here. My personal opinion is that prayer and trust in God will guide a person to where they need to be. We should not judge as Christians, I’m seeing a pattern that is just disappointing to me. Call The Shack what you will, Call it a work of the devil. Call the author a deceiving liar but please remember and take to heart that God judges. We should love everyone as God does. God hates sin but loves the sinner. God carries that burden of sin, not us. We do not possess the know how to deal with sin the way that God does. Now, God has much on his plate knowing every single human being, down to the number of hair on our heads. With that being said, I feel that this book was inspired by God, I feel that he will use it to reach people that have gotten tired of hypocritical Christians that judged them for sin and ran them out of the church. I feel that God will use this book to inspire people that was beat as kids, people that abused alcohol, people that abused and sold drugs, people that have killed others, prostitutes and people that carry painful burdens and can not let them go. I feel that God will use this book to restore many, remember all things work together for good for those that believe and trust in God. God can change any situation. We should not judge this book, we should see it for what it is. The devil is crafty but not as crafty as God and as long as we trust this and continue to pray for those around us, God will continue to change them. I will never knock any one’s comment because I understand Christian doctrine. On that note there is an abundance of Christian doctrine out there, and everyone feels they are correct in what they believe. Lets just love one another and love God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God bless you all.

Carl D. Nelson Jr.

DDavis
DDavis

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge;
Fools despise wisdom and instruction.
A wise man is cautious and turns away from evil, But a fool is arrogant and careless.
A Fool find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions.

When it comes to the shack this author uses so many bad illustrations to reinvent a new god. Mr Young has created for himself a different god, a new god. The author also blends in his own Universalism beliefs that are contrary to what the Bible teaches us. Like I said "To Distort, Falsify, Change, Twist, Interfere with the Nature, Attributes, and Characteristics of God, in any theological book or even a fictional book like “The Shack,” is blasphemous."
Sir, you might want to go back a read Deuteronomy 5
‘You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

CThomas
CThomas

Why thank you abclay, I am brilliant :)

dDavis
dDavis

Brilliant, and your defending book describing a god, dressed up like what??

abclay
abclay

Awesome defense of your position CThomas. Just Brilliant!!!

CThomas
CThomas

That's stupid! Good grief!

DDavis
DDavis

For anyone defending Mr. Young's book "the shack" please consider this;
How would you like an author to write a book describing you and your family or maybe your church ministry.
However in this book you are represented as a friendly out going and likable A-Sexual Earthworm living out in the middle of a beautiful pasture. You and your family of earthworms have a little den you call your home. The earth shakes and your family is frightened as a cow steps over your little house. Blop, blop, blop above your house is a fresh cow pie, your kids find it very warm to crawl into and fun to play in and they discover that its tasty to eat compared to the dirt.
Sorry to use that kind of fictional example but I hope you understand the point.

Distorting the Attributes, Nature and Characteristics of God, in a theological book or even a fictional book is still blasphemous.

Mark
Mark

For those still interested in The Shack what would you asked Dr. James DeYoung, author of the book below?

Burning Down 'The Shack': How the 'Christian' bestseller is deceiving millions

ding
ding

The Bible has already proven its inconsistencies and fantasies whether you read it from the old testament up to the new testament and just like the shack it is partly fiction and partly true so there is indeed no need to debate about it ( But if you think that it is entirely true then I respect your opinion). I was addressing the people in this thread who attacks the book as if it was written to send a message that would distort the faith of Christians reading it and blasting away with comments like "it is the most convoluted piece of junk" etc...etc....(how do you distort something that is already distorted?). Again I do believe in God in my own way, but reading the shack gave me a fresh perspective of who God is to the minds of other people. But whether it is the shack or the bible they are both interesting fantasies we have created in our minds.

Mark
Mark

ding,

If you believe that both the Bible and The Shack are partly fiction how do you know which parts? Why does it matter who people think God is in their own minds? I mean, if it's all just mental fantasy creation why does it matter one iota?

And if God is what we think He is in our minds and Christians, for example, hold that the Bible as the true understanding of God it only makes sense that Christians would object to The Shack where it gives a distorted view of their faith.

Mark
Mark

abclay, thanks for answering. I don't fully understand Ding's objection.

abclay
abclay

"Ding",

The review was intended to show how "The Shack" describes an entirely different God than the One that is revealed in the pages of the bible.

Your comment really doesn't address either "The Shack" nor the author's review of "The Shack".

I would be happy to debate the veracity of the Bible with you but I don't think this is the thread to do so.

Ding
Ding

Why you keep on insisting your biblical view against a certified fiction is beyond me. You keep quoting bible verses in order to assert your notion of who God is.....according to the accepted belief that most blinded so called spiritual leaders who pretend they understand the so called word of God....really? read the Bible again and tell me it ain't fiction.

Barleycorn
Barleycorn

This book is the most convoluted piece of junk that I have ever read. It reads like liberal propaganda, disguised as religion. It disrespects God by bringing Him down to the level of humans.

DDavis
DDavis

Thanks Mark that's is the one!
The lady in this interview is so blatantly honest with what she encountered and endured through meditation practices. She simply represents the thousands of people who are lead astray by false teachers. She uses examples of people blending New Age, Mysticism, Eastern Religions like Hinduism and Buddhism into a Quasi pseudo form of Christianity, the examples she uses are people like Shane Hipps and Rob Bell, Rick Warren from the Saddleback Campus. These people are Charlatans who are masters at counterfeiting the word of God and deceiving thousands of people.
William P. Young has slipped into many of these churches presenting his little "fiction" story. and yes Young is good a telling a story. However, my warning to anyone singing the praises of the Shack, is what are you doing?
After listing to this interview I would hope that people defining Mr Young would you would rethink what is the theology that Young is promoting and does that line up with the bible?

DDavis
DDavis

Well for some reason I cannot post the link here look it up at http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/ "Interview with Christine Pack of the Sola Sisters Blog on the Dangers of Mystic Meditation Practices"

Click on the Menu button on the player above and you can embed this radio segment on your blog or website.

Mark
Mark

DDavis, I'm not sure why you could not post the link. I believe it's this one: The Dangers of Mystic Meditation Practices.

DDavis
DDavis

Kevin I believe you said it right there:
"I believe we are all seeking our own way to have a relationship with the Lord."
!!seeking our own way!!
In other words people are trying to have a relationship with God, only it is on there own terms? and our methods can be devoid of what the bible teaches us.
The Shack simply promotes this un-biblical approach to God because it skirts around Jesus.

Here is a very interesting interview that addresses some of the Unitarianism, New-Age and Mysticism that is weaved in the Shack

DDavis
DDavis

June, any time a person redefines who God is, or redefines the attributes or nature of God they quickly abandon the word of God (the bible). This how we get false teachings and really bad preachers. The bible is the word of God, so what it teaches us about God, is the truth. I don't understand your comment that the review of the shack promotes the law? If anything the law shows each of us that we cannot keep the law, and points us to the savior, Jesus.
The bible teaches us that we are sinful and in desperate need of atonement for our sins. Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father except through Me." Accessing Jesus is through repenting of our sins and trusting in Jesus. Read any of the gospel's

Mr. Young paints a different picture of who God is and his presentation in the shack embraces the theology of the Universalist

Karen Cavallo
Karen Cavallo

I just finished reading the book and was curious to see what others thought. I found it a little confusing at times, even a bit slow. After reading a little about the author, I can better understand his rational, or inner conflicts, as to why he wrote it. I found it inspirational, making God more accessible to us. I believe we are all seeking our own way to have a relationship with the Lord and this book is a reflection of the author's desire to do just that. It's a work of fiction and as such, an opinion, not fact. If nothing else, it is causing a stir and creating conversation to speak up and share our thoughts and beliefs about God.

June Moss
June Moss

I read this book with scepticism, I recognise it as a work of fiction and the author makes no claim to it being otherwise. After reading it I had a feeling of wellbeing and of comfort. After reading your review I got the stench of the " Law" which has ruined many peoples' walk with a loving Father. I submit that,"My sheep hear My voice" I heard the voice of the good shepherd whilst reading "The Shack"

Tita Foo
Tita Foo

WOW awesome review. Thank you so much for this!!!!!!!!!! God Bless!

Robert C
Robert C

This is in reply to Gabriela's reply to my statement.

Yes, the book is fiction, and thank God that we can recognize it as such. However, we must remember that fiction is often a reflection of an author's core beliefs, as in the case of The Shack. It amounts to his attempts to understand God in his circumstances, whereas to do that all is needed is simply to become fully acquainged with God through tne New Birth and subsequently growing in acquaintance with Him through the teachings of His Word. As i pointed out in a previous comment, God wants us to know Him and to fellowship with Him. This is indicated in Ephesians 1:16-18: ". . . making mention of you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened . . ." We live in a day when deception is a powerful force. I have made it a practice that when I have questions about something, when my inner compass acts up and says, "go slow on this," I try to play it safe until i have checked out what principles in the Bible apply and I get a positive light on what is right. My daughter-in-law asked me to read the book. I read it and immediately had some very strong misgivings about it. I have since found what troubled me by studying God's Word, and the issue is settled in my mind. Here is how I see it. The basic problem with portraying God in human form is the temptation of the author to give God human characteristics, which is exactly the opposite of the truth. We are made in God's image, not He in ours,
and His image in us has been corrupted by our unrighteousness, and this book twists that truth, because it tends to get us thinking of God in human terms, whereas He is Spirit, not flesh and blood. There are just too many subtle attacks on the character of God in this world to let this pass. This verse stands out:" Be still and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations; I will be exalted in the earth." And again, the first Q & A in the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
Q: "What is the chief end of man?"
A. "the chief end of man is to glorify God, and fully to enjoy Him forever."
I do not think this book glorifies God in any way. Instead it reduces Him to mere humanity.

Robert C
Robert C

Thank you, Eugene Daniels, for standing for the authority and authenticity of God's Word and the fundamentals of the gospel of Jesus Christ. As a fellow believer, I wish every Christian could know and understand the significance of Hebrews 5;11-14 in our day. It is often very difficult, and sometimes almost impossible, to keep the eyes of understanding of professing Christians where they ought to be. I'm sure you understand what I mean.
Your responses have been patient, kind, reasonable, and focused on the principles which delineate between truth and error, in contrast to the subtle but unmistakable personal attacks which have been directed toward you. The prayer of the apostle Paul for the Christians in Ephesus (Ephesians 1:15-20) is stilll being answered today in Spirit-filled believers who are able to discern between good and evil when truth and error are turned upside down. A godly man
who was very influential in my Christian growth and character development had a little aphorism which describes in a simple way the current situation, even among God's people, "Truth and Error went swimming together. Error came out and put on Truth's clothes, and Truth has been naked ever since." When truth falls in the street,

Gabriela
Gabriela

I want to reply to RobertC. William P. Young made God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit all into human form. Everyone in the world can read this book and we all could walk away with something completely different. In my opinion this whole story was about a father who lost his daughter and him learning to forgive and realize God was not to blame. So yeah God was in human form but i dont think the point was what God or the holy Spirit or Jesus looked liked, it was about the relationship mac had with them. This book is fiction and when you think about it how else would William had portrayed God. I think we can all relate to the story more having God a human and not something else. This book is fictional and you cant take the fact that God is human too seriously. I know what the Bible says about God but like i said its fictional and i think the point of God being human was so that you could see the connection more. By the way thank you Eugene for the points you brought up because although i dont agree with them all i did find some to be helpful.

RobertC
RobertC

One of the original reviewer's critical points was that there is a tiny thread of difference between what is true and what is almost, or seems to be, true.
The true fact concerning Satan is the he often appears as a angel of light. That is why walking close to God and seeking the truth from His Word as the Holy Spirit guides us through it is so crucial to us mortals.

Lest there be any misunderstanding from the start, I have read the book. The first thing that hit me as I read was that, even though it is fiction, it represents God in human form. There is only one legitimate representation of God in human form in all of human history. His name was Jesus of Nazareth. so I resented the book right from the start. Actually, I could remind everyone that Jesus foretold that many would come in His name saying, "I am Christ." In addition, the Second Commandment forbids any manmade anthropomorphisms, namely:

"Thous shalt not make unto thee any graven image , OR ANY LIKENESS OF ANYTHING THAT IS IN HEAVEN ABOVE, OR IN THE EARTH BENEATH, OR IN THE WATERS UNDER THE EARTH. . ." That commandment forbids the making of mental images as well as material ones, which this book freely treads under foot.

The representation of God in human form fits the modern age like a glove. because modern man seeks to re-create God in his own image.

Perhaps the author had no intention of casting any shadows into the minds and hearts of men. I am more than willing to admit that possibility. However, the fact is that the main reason the book is so controversial is because of all the other objections expressed here as well as my own.

I must conclude by stating that there are many other criticisms of the book which I have but will not go into at this time.

Lastly I would suggest that those of you who endorse the book should get out your Bibles and research the issues raised in these criticisms - that is, if you really want to know the truth. God's Word and His Holy Spirit will reveal it to you.

CTomas
CTomas

I would just love to encourage you about anything tonight Eugene...but to be right honest I've had a very long day and I'm just too tired to even read the lengthy story you have left for us tonight, and actually, I'm just a little bored with you too, but please feel free to rant and rave all you want. I've come to the conclusion that's pretty much all you want to do anyway....so have at it. Goodnight John Boy ;-/ ;-) [:>)

Eugene Daniels
Eugene Daniels

With the Shack, Its New Age Leaven - God IN Everything?

Jesus said to them, "Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
They began to discuss this among themselves, saying, "He said that because we did not bring any bread." But Jesus, aware of this, said,
"You men of little faith, why do you discuss among yourselves that you have no bread?
"Do you not yet understand or remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets full you picked up? Or the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many large baskets full you picked up?
"How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Matthew 16:6-12

CTomas
CTomas

And your point is what Eugene? I've forgotten already. Wow, you do ramble don't you. Just try relaxing sometime, maybe with a cup of ginseng tea, and try this sometime...maybe try not reading more into this book than need be. If the reading of this book makes one's relationship with God stronger then why would you want to argue that. Please don't be afraid, 10 years from now this book and the anger it provokes in you will be forgotten, I would hope.

Eugene Daniels
Eugene Daniels

CT Maybe you could share what you believe and why.
It would be encouraging to hear about your conversion story.

Eugene Daniels
Eugene Daniels

Dear CTomas
It is beyond having faith in Jesus Christ and the Bible. When people say things about Jesus or his word (the Bible) that are not true, we Born-Again Christians will defend the Gospel! We are not to compromise the truth of the bible, nor roll over with apathy.
For example if somebody published an untruthful remark about your grandparents or even your mother, lets say they questioned her honesty and virtue. Would you not try to avenge her honor?
That is simply what I am doing, Mr. Young has dishonored and muddied the reputation of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit by his book. Furthermore Mr. Young’s theologies line up with the heretical beliefs of the Universalist not Orthodox Christianity!
Mr. Young is a gifted writer yet to this day he has not recanted his blatant Universalist positions.
1) The universalist creed of 1899 affirmed that “there is one God whose nature is love.” Young asserts that God “cannot act apart from love” (p. 102), and that God purposes what he does always as an expression of love (p. 191);

2) There is no eternal punishment for sin. The creed of 1899 again asserts that God “will finally restore the whole family of mankind to holiness and happiness.” Similarly, Young denies that Papa (God) “pours out wrath and throws people” into hell. God does not punish sin; it’s his “joy to cure it” (p. 120). Papa “redeems” final judgment (p. 127). God will not “condemn most to an eternity of torment, away from his presence and apart from his love” (p. 162);

3) There is an incomplete picture of the enormity of sin and evil. Satan as the great deceiver and instigator of the temptation to sin goes unmentioned in Young’s discussion of the fall (pp. 134-137);

4) There is a subjugation of God’s justice to his love—a central tenet of universalism. The creed of 1878 asserts that God’s attribute of justice is “born of love and limited by love.” Young affirms that God chose “the way of the cross where mercy triumphs over justice because of love,” and that this is a better way than that God should have exercised justice (pp. 164-165);

5) There is great error in the portrayal of the Trinity. Young asserts that the whole Trinity became incarnate as the Son of God, and the whole Trinity was crucified (p. 99). Both Jesus and Papa (God) bear the marks of crucifixion in their hands (contra. Isa. 53:4-10). Young’s error leads to modalism, that God is singular and at different times assumes the different modes of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a heresy condemned by the early church. Young also makes God into a goddess; moreover, he breaks the second commandment by imaging God the Father as a person;

6) Reconciliation is effective for all without exercising faith. Papa asserts that he is reconciled to the whole world, not just to those who believe (p. 192). The creeds of universalism, both of 1878 and 1899, never mention faith;

7) There is no future judgment. God will never force his will on anyone, even in his capacity as judge, for this is contrary to love (p. 145). God submits to humans, and humans submit to God in a “circle of relationship”;

Eugene Daniels
Eugene Daniels

Abclay great point! If people would read the bible passages in context it would clear up 94% of any confusion that would ever come up.

Eugene Daniels
Eugene Daniels

Dear CTomas
Ah when did the 11th commandment become "Do Not Judge"???
Are you erasing passages like Mark 13:21-23
"And then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ'; or, 'Behold, He is there'; do not believe him; for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect.
"But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance.
or how about,
False prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. 2 Peter 2:1-3

Are you tossing out the parts of the bible to line up with your 11th commandment?

CTomas
CTomas

Eugene,
Oh my, where did you read that I referred to that comment as a commandment? So sorry that you took it that way. I'm not here to argue, I stated an opinion and I am very sorry that you might think that I am here to change in some way the writing of Gods word. I soooo agree with the wanderer. Once again, I absolutely loved reading this book and I can not wait to share it with everyone I know :) I really don't think that God is going to be angry with me for enjoying the words in this book :) Have a wonderful day Eugene, and may you one day find peace within yourself

Eugene Daniels
Eugene Daniels

CT it is beyond having peace, as long as you have the one and only true God then you would not be so prideful and resistant to reason or the truth.

I will strongly challenge you to take a close look at the Universalist creeds and compare them to what William P. Young has so cleverly weaved into his “fictional book” I believe Universalism is wrong it is a rank heresy and it has deceived many from the faith. I beg of you to look at the overwhelming evidences even if this book had just 1 heretical point of view or teaching I would still have to reject The Shack as being Christian. The Shack has over 13 rank heresies!!! For the sake of the gospel of Jesus Christ, please look at the evidence.

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world." 1 John 4

CTomas
CTomas

Just have faith in the Lord Eugene and all of your fears about this book will vanish :)

abclay
abclay

Thomas,

If someone came to your home and beat the snot out of you with a ball bat, would you judge that person as being somewhat less than stable? Maybe even criminal?

I would encourage you to put the verse "Judge not, lest you be judged" into its proper context.

CTomas
CTomas

abclay,

Of course it would be considered criminal....but still, not my place to judge.
I have been beaten, many times in my life, and yes, I have forgiven this person...I would help them yet to this day if I was needed. I try very hard not to judge people, I sometimes slip as we all do. This was a wonderfully written book and I can't wait to share it with everyone I know :) I really don't think God is going to be angry with me for enjoying the reading of this book.

CTomas
CTomas

It is not our place to judge...AND, that's all I've got to say about that....God Bless You, Each and Everyone :)

Eugene Daniels
Eugene Daniels

Oh I totally understand your point Young is a very gifted story teller and in person he comes across like a very nice grandfather. While Mr. Young is a gifted story teller I must remind you, so is the devil Remember the Garden of Eden and the serpent? Young appeals to the readers emotions of longing for love while being very clever, catching the readers off guard, by Papa being a Woman. I would encourage you to check out the creeds of Universalism They embrace a MOTHER EARTH god concept.
1) The universalist creed of 1899 affirmed that “there is one God whose nature is love.” Young asserts that God “cannot act apart from love” (p. 102), and that God purposes what he does always as an expression of love (p. 191);1
2) There is no eternal punishment for sin. The creed of 1899 again asserts that God “will finally restore the whole family of mankind to holiness and happiness.” Similarly, Young denies that Papa (God) “pours out wrath and throws people” into hell. God does not punish sin; it’s his “joy to cure it” (p. 120). Papa “redeems” final judgment (p. 127). God will not “condemn most to an eternity of
torment, away from his presence and apart from his love” (p. 162);
3) There is an incomplete picture of the enormity of sin and evil. Satan as the great deceiver and instigator of the temptation to sin goes unmentioned in Young’s discussion of the fall (pp. 134-137);
4) There is a subjugation of God’s justice to his love—a central tenet of universalism. The creed of 1878 asserts that God’s attribute of justice is “born of love and limited by love.” Young affirms that God chose “the way of the cross where mercy triumphs over justice because of love,” and that this
is a better way than that God should have exercised justice (pp. 164-165);
5) There is great error in the portrayal of the Trinity. Young asserts that the whole Trinity became incarnate as the Son of God, and the whole Trinity was crucified (p. 99). Both Jesus and Papa (God) bear the marks of crucifixion in their hands (contra. Isa. 53:4-10). Young’s error leads to modalism, that God is singular and at different times assumes the different modes of Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit, a heresy condemned by the early church. Young also makes God into a goddess; moreover, he breaks the second commandment by imaging God the Father as a person;
6) Reconciliation is effective for all without exercising faith. Papa asserts that he is reconciled to the whole world, not just to those who believe (p. 192). The creeds of universalism, both of 1878 and 1899, never mention faith;
7) There is no future judgment. God will never force his will on anyone, even in his capacity as judge, for this is contrary to love (p. 145). God submits to humans, and humans submit to God in a “circle of relationship”;
8) All are equally children of God and loved equally by him (p. 155-156). In a future revolution of “love and kindness” all people out of love will confess Jesus as Lord (p. 248).
9) The institution of the church is rejected as diabolical. Jesus claims that he “never has, never will” create institutions (p. 178). Evangelical churches are an obstacle to universalism.
10) Finally, the Bible is discounted in this novel. It is a book of guilt rather than hope, encouragement, and revelation.

Gabriela
Gabriela

This book was given to me and when i read it i was well unaware of all the critisicm its been given. I fell in love with this book and i honestly dont get all that bad reviews. I am a follower of Christ and having said that i found no offenses in this book. To me this book is talking about our relationship with our Savior and forgiveness. I would have to say that these are two very important things. I know that the fact that God being a girl in the book took many people off guard but its fiction and in my opinion i think that what the authors point is is that we dont know what God looks like and in making God a female in the book its like its his way of saying God can look like anything and what He looks like doenst matter because what matters is the relationship that we have with Him. Now i clearly understand that i cant say why the auther made him female but like i said its just my opinion. It was so amazing how He talked to them and it really made me think that i need to be able to talk to God like that even if i cant see Him. I dont think this book was meant to harm, in fact i think the realtionship part really stands out. We all should have a relationship with God like that. Mack was angry with God and i can relate to that because i've lived through many horrors but i know God was always with me just as He was with Mack in the book and He waited until Mack was ready to start dealing with the pain. The story line to this book is amazing and its really too bad that you guys didnt get that.

gary
gary

It has been said "a good lie contains as much of the truth as possible" I am about half way through reading this novel, but have an uneasy feeling as I continue that something is just not right. Usually that is the Spirit who resides in me warning me.

Eugene Daniels
Eugene Daniels

I don't need to drink all of the ocean to tell you that it is salty. nor do I need to embrace this book because it is sold at a church or some Christian book store. I do need to be on guard to how a book like this can effect ones theology......Especially if this book is the pastors wife's favorite book. With over 12 heretical view points, opinions or teachings, how does this book effect the belief system of the pastors wife? Oh and you say Hey, it's just a book, it's just a fictional book. Ok lets use that argument and say the pastors wife is reading the Satanic Bible is that ok with you? or how about some Harlequin Romance Novel?
The Gospel message is lost in a book like the Shack, and the authority of the bible is minimized. The nature of God and the Holy spirit are minimized to being simple humans. What gets me, is I have heard people get more upset over someone misrepresenting there mother. This should raise the hair on the back of your neck when someone misrepresents the nature and character of God.

Tracy
Tracy

I have to say that "The Shack" by William P. Young was a very thought provoking read.

After reading the book, I was left pondering several things about it – which is a true testament to the book's worth. I had several questions on the validity of some of the descriptions of God but I had to humbly admit that there may be no answers this side of heaven for how God presents Himself to each individual.

I posted a more in-depth review of this book on my own blog www.tracysbooknook.com.

-Tracy

Mike
Mike

God is just love. Can't you see the beauty in all of these different perspectives? I tend to not disagree or throw words out there about who's right and wrong because in reality (my opinion) no one is indeffinantly right. A right for you can absolutely kill someone else. This book really is just so personal just like everyone elses relationship with God. I myself live in gods love day in and day out and there isn't a soul out there that could discredit my own beliefs without looking with a clear mind. No one has any right to judge anyone or anything, but we all do so easily and care free. God has never judged us, he's only giving us the freedom to love and use in our own ways.

Don
Don

I have been told this is a good book. I intend on reading with a grain of salt as with anything. I have deep Christian faith and 5 years of Catholic school. I consider myself Christian now. I believe God work in each our lives one thought, minute, person, day, verse, and sometimes book at a time. We each our at our own level in our walk with God. If this book gives interest or help in any way to someone receiving God in their lives with repect to the Trinity, is this not a step in the right direction? No doubt they will follow up with the bible and scripture related books that will open the mind and hearts to the Lord, who will lead them Him without splitting hairs. Peace and God love to all.

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