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> <channel><title>Comments on: Trent: Let Me Be Anathema</title> <atom:link href="http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/</link> <description>Christian, southern baptist, theology, reformed, thinking, culture, religion, apologetics, defense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 16:13:28 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <item><title>By: Michael McMillan</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/comment-page-1/#comment-32190</link> <dc:creator>Michael McMillan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:40:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=2505#comment-32190</guid> <description>well its intersesting to me when people will take a scripture out of the bible and ignore its context,you know i dont need the catholic church to make me understand scriptue becouse God will use the Holy Spirit and mature born again christians to &quot;sharpen my iron&quot;, raised as a catholic in south boston,(catholic capital), i was taught to just trust the catholic church for explanations about God,,your in good hands with the all saints club you know,, the problem is that after i got saved,after i was of a reasonable age to understand i was a sinner in need of a savior,and i started reading the bible it didnt take long to see that all the things iwas taught were foriegn to scripture!,infant baptism,priest(in the n.t,), popes, nuns, 1st holy communion,purgatory,salvation by sacraments,and the list goes on and on and on,and not anly were things foriegn but many were completely opposed,and now that im saved,and by the way if protesting the devil makes one a protestant than protestant i am,, so the real 64,000 dollar question is this...&quot;can God communicate to His creation without the roman catholic church.? and my answer is yes, im saved in spite of the roman catholic church not becouse of it,,and the many people who i have shared my faith with who are catholics are absolutely clueless about the gospel,which leads to another question..&quot;are all roman catholics so incredibly dumb that they just dont get it ao is the R.C. church preaching a different gospel?,, its the latter, this aint the gospel the apostle paul,or saint paul preached but it is the gospel in which he said was another gospel and therefor the real anathema is the ones preaching it!,read galatians and you will know what im talking about,,and  the bible also says &quot;if anyone loves not the lord Jesus Christ let him be anathema&quot; and Jesus said &quot;if you love Me you will keep my words,commandments&quot;,, im not all i should be or could be but im doing alot better since ive been filled with the Holy Spirit and left the R.C. church,,catholism was imposed on me by my family as most catholics,, i personally chose to repent and ask Jesus to save me. well anyways as far as eating Jesus flesh and drinking His blood,,you know it would help if you just read a little further in John,,,JN. 6:60-63...many therefore of His disciples when they heard this,said &quot;this is a hard saying;who can hear it.?when Jesus knew in Himself that the disciples murmured at it,he said unto them,&quot;does this offend you?what if you see the Son of man ascent up where He was before?it is the spirit that gives life,the flesh is useless;the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life..  now how can a street brawler from southie understand this and the pope cant?,,well couse the Spirit gives life not a church,, Jesus said the flesh profits nothing!!!! you can say your eating His literal flesh but i say with Jesus it profits nothing,,these words are spiritual as He said,,dont start a whole docrine and tell people if they dont agree with you they are anathema when your wrong,,come to Him like a child and He will open your eyes and if you try to defend heresy you will answer to God,its by grace thrugh faith you are saved, its not of yourself, it is a gift of God lest anyone should boast.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well its intersesting to me when people will take a scripture out of the bible and ignore its context,you know i dont need the catholic church to make me understand scriptue becouse God will use the Holy Spirit and mature born again christians to &#8220;sharpen my iron&#8221;, raised as a catholic in south boston,(catholic capital), i was taught to just trust the catholic church for explanations about God,,your in good hands with the all saints club you know,, the problem is that after i got saved,after i was of a reasonable age to understand i was a sinner in need of a savior,and i started reading the bible it didnt take long to see that all the things iwas taught were foriegn to scripture!,infant baptism,priest(in the n.t,), popes, nuns, 1st holy communion,purgatory,salvation by sacraments,and the list goes on and on and on,and not anly were things foriegn but many were completely opposed,and now that im saved,and by the way if protesting the devil makes one a protestant than protestant i am,, so the real 64,000 dollar question is this&#8230;&#8221;can God communicate to His creation without the roman catholic church.? and my answer is yes, im saved in spite of the roman catholic church not becouse of it,,and the many people who i have shared my faith with who are catholics are absolutely clueless about the gospel,which leads to another question..&#8221;are all roman catholics so incredibly dumb that they just dont get it ao is the R.C. church preaching a different gospel?,, its the latter, this aint the gospel the apostle paul,or saint paul preached but it is the gospel in which he said was another gospel and therefor the real anathema is the ones preaching it!,read galatians and you will know what im talking about,,and  the bible also says &#8220;if anyone loves not the lord Jesus Christ let him be anathema&#8221; and Jesus said &#8220;if you love Me you will keep my words,commandments&#8221;,, im not all i should be or could be but im doing alot better since ive been filled with the Holy Spirit and left the R.C. church,,catholism was imposed on me by my family as most catholics,, i personally chose to repent and ask Jesus to save me. well anyways as far as eating Jesus flesh and drinking His blood,,you know it would help if you just read a little further in John,,,JN. 6:60-63&#8230;many therefore of His disciples when they heard this,said &#8220;this is a hard saying;who can hear it.?when Jesus knew in Himself that the disciples murmured at it,he said unto them,&#8221;does this offend you?what if you see the Son of man ascent up where He was before?it is the spirit that gives life,the flesh is useless;the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life..  now how can a street brawler from southie understand this and the pope cant?,,well couse the Spirit gives life not a church,, Jesus said the flesh profits nothing!!!! you can say your eating His literal flesh but i say with Jesus it profits nothing,,these words are spiritual as He said,,dont start a whole docrine and tell people if they dont agree with you they are anathema when your wrong,,come to Him like a child and He will open your eyes and if you try to defend heresy you will answer to God,its by grace thrugh faith you are saved, its not of yourself, it is a gift of God lest anyone should boast.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SPQR</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/comment-page-1/#comment-31660</link> <dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:25:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=2505#comment-31660</guid> <description>Jae,
You wrote:
&quot;I would just add as an illustration of the basis for Protestant doctrinal decisions: When Jesus said, “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you,” Catholics believe that Jesus meant what he said.&quot;
So by your logic, do you hate your father and mother (Luke 14:26)?  Literally?  If God is the Author of language, can He not speak in metaphor?  (And don&#039;t use the false rabbit trail of &quot;So, does that mean you do not believe anything Jesus said?)
Go check out the real history of transsubstantiation (or homoousios).  Nothing on record until at least 600 years after Christ.  Jesus did not teach this heresy.
Jesus was alive before the crucifixion when he said that statement.  Was He telling people to convert to cannibalism?
Did He sanction the blasphemous treatment that Roman and Greek priests infer from their invocation of &quot;communion&quot;?  (John Francis Noll, Bishop of Fort Wayne - approval of book &quot;Faith of Millions&quot; by John O&#039;Brien, pp.268-9 - see http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2248.cfm )
Or was this metaphor to describe something else (truly loving and serving Him)?
Please consider objectively what God&#039;s Word is really saying.
Thank you,
SPQR
Blind literalism obscures true meaning.  Surely you would never eat a lite</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae,</p><p>You wrote:</p><p>&#8220;I would just add as an illustration of the basis for Protestant doctrinal decisions: When Jesus said, “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you,” Catholics believe that Jesus meant what he said.&#8221;</p><p>So by your logic, do you hate your father and mother (Luke 14:26)?  Literally?  If God is the Author of language, can He not speak in metaphor?  (And don&#8217;t use the false rabbit trail of &#8220;So, does that mean you do not believe anything Jesus said?)</p><p>Go check out the real history of transsubstantiation (or homoousios).  Nothing on record until at least 600 years after Christ.  Jesus did not teach this heresy.</p><p>Jesus was alive before the crucifixion when he said that statement.  Was He telling people to convert to cannibalism?</p><p>Did He sanction the blasphemous treatment that Roman and Greek priests infer from their invocation of &#8220;communion&#8221;?  (John Francis Noll, Bishop of Fort Wayne &#8211; approval of book &#8220;Faith of Millions&#8221; by John O&#8217;Brien, pp.268-9 &#8211; see <a
href="http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2248.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2248.cfm</a> )</p><p>Or was this metaphor to describe something else (truly loving and serving Him)?</p><p>Please consider objectively what God&#8217;s Word is really saying.</p><p>Thank you,<br
/> SPQR</p><p>Blind literalism obscures true meaning.  Surely you would never eat a lite</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: June</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/comment-page-1/#comment-24673</link> <dc:creator>June</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 05:17:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=2505#comment-24673</guid> <description>And then the Pope wonders why he and his church are suffering so? Psychology now, which Catholic nuns as much as the AMA are guilty of bringing in, is also like the Egyptians whom God reversed the harms done to His Children on. The more Christians know and understand that Blood of the Lamb (of God) is at least as powerful, with a mind (of God) all its own to do His will, the better and free-er we will live. Catholic anathema&#039;s did not stop Protestantism from flourishing, it impaired it many times, so did communism. We, who live in Christ, and understand our only salvation is by and through and under the blood of the Lamb have at least as much power to watch the curses of the servants of the enemy be turned back on themselves. That&#039;s what happened (even before) that final night called Passover; both the first one and the night Jesus gave us Communion. Let those who have cursed the children of God be the ones, instead, who have to live under those curses. And may as many of them turn to God as can possibly happen. May the children of God serving the satanic and/or evil deeds in Psychology repent before their loved ones suffer with them for participating in the destruction of so many traditional families, and righteous people. Amen. Fiat. Fiat, Fiat. A Pope has not more power to issue a real anathema that the least among us who really do belong to the Christ.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then the Pope wonders why he and his church are suffering so? Psychology now, which Catholic nuns as much as the AMA are guilty of bringing in, is also like the Egyptians whom God reversed the harms done to His Children on. The more Christians know and understand that Blood of the Lamb (of God) is at least as powerful, with a mind (of God) all its own to do His will, the better and free-er we will live. Catholic anathema&#8217;s did not stop Protestantism from flourishing, it impaired it many times, so did communism. We, who live in Christ, and understand our only salvation is by and through and under the blood of the Lamb have at least as much power to watch the curses of the servants of the enemy be turned back on themselves. That&#8217;s what happened (even before) that final night called Passover; both the first one and the night Jesus gave us Communion. Let those who have cursed the children of God be the ones, instead, who have to live under those curses. And may as many of them turn to God as can possibly happen. May the children of God serving the satanic and/or evil deeds in Psychology repent before their loved ones suffer with them for participating in the destruction of so many traditional families, and righteous people. Amen. Fiat. Fiat, Fiat. A Pope has not more power to issue a real anathema that the least among us who really do belong to the Christ.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/comment-page-1/#comment-24128</link> <dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:09:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=2505#comment-24128</guid> <description>Jae,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Christ did not promise the church an &quot;evolving Gospel&quot;. One that was to be expanded as time went on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae,</p><p>Christ did not promise the church an &#8220;evolving Gospel&#8221;. One that was to be expanded as time went on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/comment-page-1/#comment-23416</link> <dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:09:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=2505#comment-23416</guid> <description>Jae,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Christ did not promise the church an &quot;evolving Gospel&quot;. One that was to be expanded as time went on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae,</p><p>Christ did not promise the church an &#8220;evolving Gospel&#8221;. One that was to be expanded as time went on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jae</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/comment-page-1/#comment-23403</link> <dc:creator>Jae</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:44:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=2505#comment-23403</guid> <description>My brothers in Christ, if you look closer at what Jesus PROMISED to His Church in John 16:12-14.. &quot;I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into ALL THE TRUTH; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the THINGS THAT ARE TO COME.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jesus promised, ALL Truth, ALL means: whole, every single one, FULLNESS...not one or two or three &quot;essential doctrines&quot; but ALL and still are to COME.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If He promised that, then why do have differing doctrines amongst us? There should only be one True Church from the begining who has a living Authority from Him. There has to be, if indeed Christian doctrine is a divine revelation in which men must believe under the pain of eternal lost, then the promised (gift) of infalliability to the Church is necessary because if she could err at all,  she could err in ANY POINT, the flock would have no guarantee to the ALL Truth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you think it is very logical?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;God Bless.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brothers in Christ, if you look closer at what Jesus PROMISED to His Church in John 16:12-14.. &#8220;I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into ALL THE TRUTH; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the THINGS THAT ARE TO COME.&#8221;</p><p>Jesus promised, ALL Truth, ALL means: whole, every single one, FULLNESS&#8230;not one or two or three &#8220;essential doctrines&#8221; but ALL and still are to COME.</p><p>If He promised that, then why do have differing doctrines amongst us? There should only be one True Church from the begining who has a living Authority from Him. There has to be, if indeed Christian doctrine is a divine revelation in which men must believe under the pain of eternal lost, then the promised (gift) of infalliability to the Church is necessary because if she could err at all,  she could err in ANY POINT, the flock would have no guarantee to the ALL Truth.</p><p>Do you think it is very logical?</p><p>God Bless.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jae</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/comment-page-1/#comment-23402</link> <dc:creator>Jae</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:29:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=2505#comment-23402</guid> <description>My brothers, these anathemas were proclaimed to guard against false teachings and teachers and were directed to the founders of such heresies (errors) and not to the next generations. The main purpose of the Authority of the Church is to preserve the deposit of Faith.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To every true Christian who sincerely try to follow the ways  of Christ and His Teachings considerered EVERY word in the Scripture  as ALL important, because it is God’s Word.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now;&lt;br&gt;Who is to say which is important and not? Who is to say we only need to have the “essentials” and rest are not important in the Scriptures? By claiming and declaring which “one is or not important” is already an affirmation of Authority with which the protestants hated the Catholic Church for.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Minor differences in protestants?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take for example baptism... the Church has decided that the references to Baptism in Scripture must be interpreted as teaching baptismal regeneration, no exceptions. In fact, the Council of Trent bases this teaching on John 3:5 where Jesus said: &quot;Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, granted, you may have a different interpretation of that verse. In fact, yours may even sound better than ours. It&#039;s easy to believe that the water is merely symbolic. The Bible uses symbols all the time. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But the $64,000 question is: is the Bible using symbols in John 3:5? How would we know for sure? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We seem to have at least two possibilities. In fact, there are other possibilities. Some Protestants believe the water refers to the word of God, and base that interpretation on Ephesians 5:26. Others believe the water refers to the amniotic fluid in the mother&#039;s womb. Others believe the water is more than just a symbol but still doesn&#039;t save anyone. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, in effect, we have five different interpretations of John 3:5, and they all sound very good, but there can only be one correct interpretation and the others are devilish imposters. The context of John 2-4 doesn&#039;t help too much in settling on one meaning. So what do we do? Well, the good Catholic will ask: what did John mean when he wrote the words of John 3:5? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, we need to ask John what he meant. But, of course, John is dead. Fortunately, however, we know what John meant because he told his fellow apostles, and they told the disciples, and they told the churches. When we examine the record of the churches (and we know them be reading the documents of those times) it is a fact that every church, every Father, every council, and every other body with any semblance of ecclesiastical authority said that the interpretation which holds that the water is the miraculous means of grace and actually procures justification is the only correct answer, and all the others are pious frauds.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would just add as an illustration of the basis for Protestant doctrinal decisions: When Jesus said, “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you,” Catholics believe that Jesus meant what he said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Protestants believe that whatever Jesus meant, he certainly did not mean what he said. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And why? Because Jesus statement is not logical or easily understood. It is difficult, too difficult to believe by faith alone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blessings!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brothers, these anathemas were proclaimed to guard against false teachings and teachers and were directed to the founders of such heresies (errors) and not to the next generations. The main purpose of the Authority of the Church is to preserve the deposit of Faith.</p><p>To every true Christian who sincerely try to follow the ways  of Christ and His Teachings considerered EVERY word in the Scripture  as ALL important, because it is God’s Word.</p><p>Now;<br
/>Who is to say which is important and not? Who is to say we only need to have the “essentials” and rest are not important in the Scriptures? By claiming and declaring which “one is or not important” is already an affirmation of Authority with which the protestants hated the Catholic Church for.</p><p>Minor differences in protestants?</p><p>Take for example baptism&#8230; the Church has decided that the references to Baptism in Scripture must be interpreted as teaching baptismal regeneration, no exceptions. In fact, the Council of Trent bases this teaching on John 3:5 where Jesus said: &#8220;Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.&#8221;</p><p>Now, granted, you may have a different interpretation of that verse. In fact, yours may even sound better than ours. It&#39;s easy to believe that the water is merely symbolic. The Bible uses symbols all the time.</p><p>But the $64,000 question is: is the Bible using symbols in John 3:5? How would we know for sure?</p><p>We seem to have at least two possibilities. In fact, there are other possibilities. Some Protestants believe the water refers to the word of God, and base that interpretation on Ephesians 5:26. Others believe the water refers to the amniotic fluid in the mother&#39;s womb. Others believe the water is more than just a symbol but still doesn&#39;t save anyone.</p><p>So, in effect, we have five different interpretations of John 3:5, and they all sound very good, but there can only be one correct interpretation and the others are devilish imposters. The context of John 2-4 doesn&#39;t help too much in settling on one meaning. So what do we do? Well, the good Catholic will ask: what did John mean when he wrote the words of John 3:5?</p><p>Well, we need to ask John what he meant. But, of course, John is dead. Fortunately, however, we know what John meant because he told his fellow apostles, and they told the disciples, and they told the churches. When we examine the record of the churches (and we know them be reading the documents of those times) it is a fact that every church, every Father, every council, and every other body with any semblance of ecclesiastical authority said that the interpretation which holds that the water is the miraculous means of grace and actually procures justification is the only correct answer, and all the others are pious frauds.</p><p>I would just add as an illustration of the basis for Protestant doctrinal decisions: When Jesus said, “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you,” Catholics believe that Jesus meant what he said.</p><p>Protestants believe that whatever Jesus meant, he certainly did not mean what he said.</p><p>And why? Because Jesus statement is not logical or easily understood. It is difficult, too difficult to believe by faith alone.</p><p>Blessings!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tweets that mention Council of Trent &#124; Protestant &#124; Anathema &#124; Justification -- Topsy.com</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/comment-page-1/#comment-23401</link> <dc:creator>Tweets that mention Council of Trent &#124; Protestant &#124; Anathema &#124; Justification -- Topsy.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:30:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=2505#comment-23401</guid> <description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Mark Lamprecht, Matt Svoboda. Matt Svoboda said: RT @hereiblog Let me be anathema: Council of Trent &#124; Protestant &#124; Anathema &#124; Justification: http://bit.ly/mSZdB [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Mark Lamprecht, Matt Svoboda. Matt Svoboda said: RT @hereiblog Let me be anathema: Council of Trent | Protestant | Anathema | Justification: <a
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isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=2505#comment-23399</guid> <description>It would be interesting to go back further than Trent, then count how many anathemas the Pope racks up.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to go back further than Trent, then count how many anathemas the Pope racks up.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark &#124; hereiblog</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/trent-let-me-be-anathema/comment-page-1/#comment-23400</link> <dc:creator>Mark &#124; hereiblog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:21:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=2505#comment-23400</guid> <description>Anathematizing popes would be an interesting study. I do recall one who was dug up from the grave and tried for heresy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anathematizing popes would be an interesting study. I do recall one who was dug up from the grave and tried for heresy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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