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> <channel><title>Comments on: Twitter Church and Classroom</title> <atom:link href="http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/</link> <description>Christian, southern baptist, theology, reformed, thinking, culture, religion, apologetics, defense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 16:13:28 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <item><title>By: graceb4me</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15564</link> <dc:creator>graceb4me</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:14:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15564</guid> <description>....hmmm...
what is interesting is that the one I expected to respond to this, hasn&#039;t yet...
he is an expert on this very subject!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.hmmm&#8230;<br
/> what is interesting is that the one I expected to respond to this, hasn&#8217;t yet&#8230;<br
/> he is an expert on this very subject!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: johnMark</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15515</link> <dc:creator>johnMark</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:58:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15515</guid> <description>Thanks for the interesting responses.  It seems we all aren&#039;t very far off from one another.
If Twitter is used during worship service to share items from the sermon that stood out, but how different is that from whispering to a friend next to you during the whole sermon?  The whole process just seems like it would take something away from the sermon.
Some might say it could add something.  OK, what could it add?
Mark</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the interesting responses.  It seems we all aren&#8217;t very far off from one another.</p><p>If Twitter is used during worship service to share items from the sermon that stood out, but how different is that from whispering to a friend next to you during the whole sermon?  The whole process just seems like it would take something away from the sermon.</p><p>Some might say it could add something.  OK, what could it add?</p><p>Mark</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: FlameGurl</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15447</link> <dc:creator>FlameGurl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15447</guid> <description>These people just don&#039;t have enough experience listening &amp; chatting at the same time.  Those of us from #pros who chat &amp; listen to the DL would probably not have an issue.  Just kidding.  LOL some of you probably thought I was serious. *smirk*  When something is important, you show respect by giving that person/thing your full attention.  I hate it when I&#039;m trying to chat one on one with a person and they are constantly texting another friend.  Drives me mental.  I&#039;m the queen of multi-tasking, but I&#039;d still be apt to miss some important points and miss some things if I were twittering away in the middle of a sermon.  Save it for later.  Seriously people, you can&#039;t be away from your electronic devices for an hour?  Really?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people just don&#8217;t have enough experience listening &amp; chatting at the same time.  Those of us from #pros who chat &amp; listen to the DL would probably not have an issue.  Just kidding.  LOL some of you probably thought I was serious. *smirk*  When something is important, you show respect by giving that person/thing your full attention.  I hate it when I&#8217;m trying to chat one on one with a person and they are constantly texting another friend.  Drives me mental.  I&#8217;m the queen of multi-tasking, but I&#8217;d still be apt to miss some important points and miss some things if I were twittering away in the middle of a sermon.  Save it for later.  Seriously people, you can&#8217;t be away from your electronic devices for an hour?  Really?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shamgar</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15442</link> <dc:creator>Shamgar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:55:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15442</guid> <description>&lt;i&gt;People can’t pay attention to more than one thing at a time. We think we do, but we really aren’t– instead we are “chunking”. Some people “chunk” more smoothly than others, but nobody actually “multitasks”&lt;/i&gt;
When the tasks are sufficiently different as to require a context-switch I would agree with you.  But to say that you can&#039;t do more than one thing at a time is just incorrect.
If that were true, then you really should ban taking notes during the sermon too.  :-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>People can’t pay attention to more than one thing at a time. We think we do, but we really aren’t– instead we are “chunking”. Some people “chunk” more smoothly than others, but nobody actually “multitasks”</i></p><p>When the tasks are sufficiently different as to require a context-switch I would agree with you.  But to say that you can&#8217;t do more than one thing at a time is just incorrect.</p><p>If that were true, then you really should ban taking notes during the sermon too. <img
src='http://hereiblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rhology</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15435</link> <dc:creator>Rhology</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:51:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15435</guid> <description>How much fun did we have in prosapologion with those who were there &#039;tweeting&#039; the proceedings of the White-Ehrman debate?
Then again, that&#039;s not quite the same as church.  Ban the buggers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much fun did we have in prosapologion with those who were there &#8216;tweeting&#8217; the proceedings of the White-Ehrman debate?</p><p>Then again, that&#8217;s not quite the same as church.  Ban the buggers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Theojunkie</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15349</link> <dc:creator>Theojunkie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:23:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15349</guid> <description>PS... I also tweet-- at least for the moment--, but I refrain from tweeting during church (or any time I&#039;m actually engaged in something specific).  For me, that would be a distraction, not a help.  (So... my post above was not &quot;advocating&quot; tweeting).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS&#8230; I also tweet&#8211; at least for the moment&#8211;, but I refrain from tweeting during church (or any time I&#8217;m actually engaged in something specific).  For me, that would be a distraction, not a help.  (So&#8230; my post above was not &#8220;advocating&#8221; tweeting).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Theojunkie</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15348</link> <dc:creator>Theojunkie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:20:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15348</guid> <description>Hmm.. My initial reaction is that it is a distraction, period.  People can&#039;t pay attention to more than one thing at a time.  We think we do, but we really aren&#039;t-- instead we are &quot;chunking&quot;.  Some people &quot;chunk&quot; more smoothly than others, but nobody actually &quot;multitasks&quot;.
But as I got to thinking about it, I think there are some people who might benefit from tweeting during the sermon (or a professor&#039;s lecture for that matter-- same concept).  These are the people who would be mentally pondering their checking balance or writing a grocery list or staring at the dust collecting on the potted plant behind the pulpit-- and not listening to the sermon at all.  If they are tweeting ABOUT the sermon, then they might actually be more engaged than if they were forced to just sit there.  I don&#039;t think this is a symptom of our &quot;sound bite culture&quot;.  When I was a kid (and no devices back then) I didn&#039;t listen to the sermon either, but I could sure tell you how many ceiling tiles there were or how many pipes there were in the organ.  Even as a pre-device adult, I would wind up puzzling over how they forgot a couple of nuts on the bolts holding the pews to the carpet, and pondering why they put a brass plaque on everything in honor of some wealthy donator.  Nowadays I&#039;m interested in the sermon on its own merit... but I&#039;m just saying I understand being distracted.  As far as tweeting distracting others... unless you have your device on &quot;push&quot; and get an email every time somebody tweets, you won&#039;t know about it unless you are looking for it.  In that sense it is less distracting than whispering or sending notes.
What the people are tweeting ABOUT... that&#039;s between them and God.  You can lead a horse to water but you can&#039;t make him drink.
That said... tweeting during the WORSHIP part of worship should be verboten.  There is nothing to be gained by tweeting out the lyrics to the song or tweeting about what you think of the prayer.  Singing and prayers are you talking to and listening to God... if you are talking to everybody else at the same time, that surely dishonors him.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.. My initial reaction is that it is a distraction, period.  People can&#8217;t pay attention to more than one thing at a time.  We think we do, but we really aren&#8217;t&#8211; instead we are &#8220;chunking&#8221;.  Some people &#8220;chunk&#8221; more smoothly than others, but nobody actually &#8220;multitasks&#8221;.</p><p>But as I got to thinking about it, I think there are some people who might benefit from tweeting during the sermon (or a professor&#8217;s lecture for that matter&#8211; same concept).  These are the people who would be mentally pondering their checking balance or writing a grocery list or staring at the dust collecting on the potted plant behind the pulpit&#8211; and not listening to the sermon at all.  If they are tweeting ABOUT the sermon, then they might actually be more engaged than if they were forced to just sit there.  I don&#8217;t think this is a symptom of our &#8220;sound bite culture&#8221;.  When I was a kid (and no devices back then) I didn&#8217;t listen to the sermon either, but I could sure tell you how many ceiling tiles there were or how many pipes there were in the organ.  Even as a pre-device adult, I would wind up puzzling over how they forgot a couple of nuts on the bolts holding the pews to the carpet, and pondering why they put a brass plaque on everything in honor of some wealthy donator.  Nowadays I&#8217;m interested in the sermon on its own merit&#8230; but I&#8217;m just saying I understand being distracted.  As far as tweeting distracting others&#8230; unless you have your device on &#8220;push&#8221; and get an email every time somebody tweets, you won&#8217;t know about it unless you are looking for it.  In that sense it is less distracting than whispering or sending notes.</p><p>What the people are tweeting ABOUT&#8230; that&#8217;s between them and God.  You can lead a horse to water but you can&#8217;t make him drink.</p><p>That said&#8230; tweeting during the WORSHIP part of worship should be verboten.  There is nothing to be gained by tweeting out the lyrics to the song or tweeting about what you think of the prayer.  Singing and prayers are you talking to and listening to God&#8230; if you are talking to everybody else at the same time, that surely dishonors him.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Carla Rolfe</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15335</link> <dc:creator>Carla Rolfe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:39:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15335</guid> <description>What do I think?  I wrote what I think last night (not knowing you were posting on a similar theme), right here:
http://carlarolfe.blogspot.com/2009/03/creepy-invasion-of-technology.html
Frankly, it creeps me out.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do I think?  I wrote what I think last night (not knowing you were posting on a similar theme), right here:<br
/> <a
href="http://carlarolfe.blogspot.com/2009/03/creepy-invasion-of-technology.html" rel="nofollow">http://carlarolfe.blogspot.com/2009/03/creepy-invasion-of-technology.html</a></p><p>Frankly, it creeps me out.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15323</link> <dc:creator>David</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:15:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15323</guid> <description>It may sound old fashioned and it is only my opinion but silence is so rare now, that more and more technology is not the answer. As you mentioned in your intro, it can be kept separate and you can set limits, but to me the more important question that comes to mind as I think of this is really....what purpose does this serve? If Facebook, twitter, blackberry etc...all serve a purpose to further a relationship, to allow you to pour more into someone&#039;s lives, to help friends stay connected in a convenient way with the hopes of bringing light into lives, then fantastic. Exercise the discipline and all for the glory of God.
If, on the other hand, it feeds the insecurities of our lives, if it artificially fills the void that otherwise should be filled with God&#039;s presence, if it further develops the 30 second attention span/immediate gratification society we live in, if it takes you away from listening to God in silence, if it prevents you from reflecting on his glory and pouring into ONE life deeply versus 100 superficially, then that is a whole different subject.
These products all develop out of a need to bring in return on investment, to create dissatisfaction and then have the product to answer that.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may sound old fashioned and it is only my opinion but silence is so rare now, that more and more technology is not the answer. As you mentioned in your intro, it can be kept separate and you can set limits, but to me the more important question that comes to mind as I think of this is really&#8230;.what purpose does this serve? If Facebook, twitter, blackberry etc&#8230;all serve a purpose to further a relationship, to allow you to pour more into someone&#8217;s lives, to help friends stay connected in a convenient way with the hopes of bringing light into lives, then fantastic. Exercise the discipline and all for the glory of God.</p><p>If, on the other hand, it feeds the insecurities of our lives, if it artificially fills the void that otherwise should be filled with God&#8217;s presence, if it further develops the 30 second attention span/immediate gratification society we live in, if it takes you away from listening to God in silence, if it prevents you from reflecting on his glory and pouring into ONE life deeply versus 100 superficially, then that is a whole different subject.</p><p>These products all develop out of a need to bring in return on investment, to create dissatisfaction and then have the product to answer that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shamgar</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15322</link> <dc:creator>Shamgar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:48:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15322</guid> <description>Well - I would say there&#039;s the question of approach/methodology to answer here too.  For the professor grading papers, if he was tweeting at the end of each paper (as you seemed to be suggesting) that&#039;s a natural breaking point. It&#039;s arguable that it would not have a detrimental effect on his grading -- in itself.  Of course, the act of tweeting and the desire to have interesting things to say would potentially be an interesting temptation to grade differently than he might otherwise.
Same for your blogging experience.  I tried to do something similar once but didn&#039;t even make it through the first two sessions before I discarded doing it that way.  Instead, I worked on simply paying close attention and making shorthand notes on it for myself and then wrote out my thoughts afterwards.  I think this is &lt;em&gt;usually&lt;/em&gt; far more helpful.  I know I far prefer reading someone&#039;s analysis.
For this reason I don&#039;t think I&#039;d be ok with the whole tweeting/reading tweets during the service.  Most of the time I try to have my phones and pagers as off as I can during Sunday service.  Even when I&#039;m oncall I try to limit what I can be paged for to absolute emergencies.  I just hate the distraction of having to switch gears.  There is a loss during those context switches, and that can make the difference in really understanding what is being said.
(Now - That isn&#039;t to say I don&#039;t see a place for electronic devices in Church.  I know a lot of people use them as their bible these days.  I personally still prefer to use the dead-tree version, but I don&#039;t hold it against anyone overmuch who wants to use a digital device.  Though - it&#039;s probably one more crutch for us.  I know some young people can&#039;t find hardly anything in their bible w/out their digital version anymore, and that&#039;s sad.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8211; I would say there&#8217;s the question of approach/methodology to answer here too.  For the professor grading papers, if he was tweeting at the end of each paper (as you seemed to be suggesting) that&#8217;s a natural breaking point. It&#8217;s arguable that it would not have a detrimental effect on his grading &#8212; in itself.  Of course, the act of tweeting and the desire to have interesting things to say would potentially be an interesting temptation to grade differently than he might otherwise.</p><p>Same for your blogging experience.  I tried to do something similar once but didn&#8217;t even make it through the first two sessions before I discarded doing it that way.  Instead, I worked on simply paying close attention and making shorthand notes on it for myself and then wrote out my thoughts afterwards.  I think this is <em>usually</em> far more helpful.  I know I far prefer reading someone&#8217;s analysis.</p><p>For this reason I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d be ok with the whole tweeting/reading tweets during the service.  Most of the time I try to have my phones and pagers as off as I can during Sunday service.  Even when I&#8217;m oncall I try to limit what I can be paged for to absolute emergencies.  I just hate the distraction of having to switch gears.  There is a loss during those context switches, and that can make the difference in really understanding what is being said.</p><p>(Now &#8211; That isn&#8217;t to say I don&#8217;t see a place for electronic devices in Church.  I know a lot of people use them as their bible these days.  I personally still prefer to use the dead-tree version, but I don&#8217;t hold it against anyone overmuch who wants to use a digital device.  Though &#8211; it&#8217;s probably one more crutch for us.  I know some young people can&#8217;t find hardly anything in their bible w/out their digital version anymore, and that&#8217;s sad.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jacob</title><link>http://hereiblog.com/twitter-church-and-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-15321</link> <dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:40:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hereiblog.com/?p=1312#comment-15321</guid> <description>My understanding of Twittering at MHC is that they ar twittering things about the sermon and from the sermon.  It would appear that the Harvard study is pitting the two against each other, while at the church service they are posting things about the sermon.  Kind of like Mini-Live-Blogging.  The difference is that at the J316 conference you tried to get every detail possible so that those not in attendance could still at least receive some of the knowledge (if you can call it that) that was being put forth.  Do a twitter search for #MHC and you will see all of the responses.  Its actually pretty cool.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of Twittering at MHC is that they ar twittering things about the sermon and from the sermon.  It would appear that the Harvard study is pitting the two against each other, while at the church service they are posting things about the sermon.  Kind of like Mini-Live-Blogging.  The difference is that at the J316 conference you tried to get every detail possible so that those not in attendance could still at least receive some of the knowledge (if you can call it that) that was being put forth.  Do a twitter search for #MHC and you will see all of the responses.  Its actually pretty cool.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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