Volunteering for Dave Ramsey

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I spent this Saturday from 9am to 8pm (7-8 was dinner) volunteering for a Dave Ramsey Live event at First Baptist Woodstock.  Some will see the irony in the location.  Anyways, my wife and I donated our time for this event.  It was long and tiring, but more than that it was fun and rewarding.

We arrived, signed in and changed into our cool, free “I see debt people” t-shirts.  Then we went to an introduction presentation and onto more specific training.  But not before Dave himself walked in and said a few words to us.  You’d be surprised how relaxed and serene Dave is before his presentation. Then, as we were going to our tables, after a briefing, my wife and I got to shake Dave’s hand as he thanked us for helping out.  Unfortunately, we didn’t get to eat dinner with Dave as his son was to be baptized the next morning so he had to leave right afterward.

The products on site were a great deal as most everything was only $10.  We were also told that we could use our discretion and give away what we felt led to if someone could not afford to purchase an item.  I ended up giving away two Total Money Makeover books that went on their way to two single mothers.  We also handed out Dave’s personal testimony on CD and took donations to the Share It! program as the participants left the building.

Volunteering was a great way to wrap-up as my wife and I just finished Financial Peace University through our church. We both thoroughly enjoyed it.  It is filled with very basic information which everyone should learn.  In whatever way you may disagree with Dave and his theology, which I don’t really know, his program is very good and practical.  It can really help you and your spouse get on the same page financially.  I recommend it to singles, engaged, married or any couple who is having financial disagreements or troubles.  In fact, many congregations could probably use some of these money management lessons.  The very reason we volunteered is that we do believe in the principles Dave teaches and it was nice to be around a bunch of believers who were giving their time.

A couple more things

Two of Dave’s employees sat with us at dinner.  Essentially, all of the employees are on board with Dave’s philosophy of money within this ministry.  In fact, one of the ladies just paid off all of her credit cards. She and her husband are over-joyed.  They told us that Dave is very transparent in the way he manages.  There are no secrets or surprises. Everyone working for him is a professing Christian.

So, the Dave we get on the radio is the one the employees get in the office everyday. We were even told during our inquiries that Dave took a day off just to be alone and pray.  That is a nice display of conviction in his leadership.  One of the employees, whose name I forget, thanked us all for our work with a tear in his eye and then he prayed for our meal.

Thanks Dave,

Mark

P.s. The last two paragraphs serve as a witness to Dave Ramsey’s character by his employees and not to put him on a pedestal.

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1 Chris November 20, 2006 at 4:19 pm

Glad you guys had a good time. Thanks for volunteering.

2 johnMark November 20, 2006 at 6:07 pm

Chris, you’re welcome. Thanks for the comment.

3 Tuesday December 27, 2006 at 11:28 am

At our office we always hear how great the volunteers are…thanks for sharing some insight from your experience.

4 Kevin Cates January 5, 2007 at 1:32 pm

Hi

If you have a Minute to Help a Family, Buy Them A Coke and a Hotdog, God Bless

Kevin

5 C.M. January 6, 2007 at 1:45 am

“In whatever way you may disagree with Dave and his theology, which I don’t really know, his program is very good and practical.”

When did theology become so unimportant. How can a church share it’s pulpit and not know or care about the speaker’s theology. Dave’s theology seems to be as hard to nail down as his credentials for dispensing financial planning and investment advice. If you know where I can read reliable information about either, I’d like to know.

Pragmatism says, “If it works, then it’s good.” Sound biblical doctrine says, “if it’s scriptural, then it pleases God, whether it works (by our way of reckoning) or not.”

6 johnMark January 6, 2007 at 11:44 am

Dave’s theology is hard to nail down and I really don’t know much about it except that he asks those who go through his class to believe in Christ. He also is not preaching in any pulpits in the event that I’ve attended because it wasn’t a worship service.

The only educational credentials listed on his site are, “Ramsey earned his Bachelor of Science degree in Finance and Real Estate from the University of Tennessee.”
http://www.daveramsey.com/etc/cms/index.cfm?intContentID=2709

Dave’s company also gives CE credits to CPA’s: http://www.daveramsey.com/fpu/counseling/index.cfm?FuseAction=dspContent&intContentID=5251

Anyways, I’m not here to dig up all kinds of imformation and be the all emcompassing supporter of Dave Ramsey. I am saying that his Financial Peace University information is good and, yes, it is practical though not unbiblical. There is nothing in the programs like Rod Parsley’s “write your debt on paper and send it in so we can burn it and erase it”.

I think that financial responsibility is a place where the church fails and Dave Ramsey offers some sound advice. Of course, the church also fails in teaching doctrine which is probably the root of the problem. I am only advocating Ramsey’s financial responsibility advice not to learn doctrine from him.

Mark

7 johnMark January 6, 2007 at 11:53 am

Okay, my response was just lost some how. Briefly, Ramsey’s credentials are his bachelor in science in finance and real estate and his courses offer CPA CE’s which all can be found on his site. I’m not hear to research all about Dave Ramsey and promote everything he does. I simply agree with the financial responsibility he teaches.

I have no idea if he preaches from pulpits during worship services. I did not see him in this capacity. I saw him at a seminar and took his Financial Peace University class. These are very good and practical and I think more people need to hear it. This is an area I believe the church fails which probably can be linked to the failure to teach doctrine.

Doctrine matters which is probably why I started this blog to begin with, but I’m not advocating taking theology classes from Dave Ramsey. I’m saying listen to his financial advice and use what you can. If nothing else it’s a good start to get you thinking.

Mark

8 C.M. January 6, 2007 at 9:40 pm

Mark, I have searched his website for information about his formal education or professional designations. I’ve e-mailed his org. too. I went back after reading your response and still couldn’t find anything. Do you know a link? Where did he attend college? What degrees does he hold?

Please try not to take my remarks personally. I have an ever increasing concern about the fascination of the church with Ramsey. He seems to use a lot of church-talk to reel in Christians. Of course I’m not knocking sound financial conduct, but I do not believe that Christ died to increase my bank account. If he wants to court the church, then he needs to be faithful to the gospel for which Jesus died. My Hope is built on nothing less than Jesus’ blood and righteousness. If Dave or anyone else is speaking or holding meetings in a church, shouldn’t it be for the purpose of proclaiming the gospel?

Am I alone in questioning these things?

9 johnMark January 8, 2007 at 7:36 am

The continuing education credit information is here: http://www.daveramsey.com/fpu/counseling/index.cfm?FuseAction=dspContent&intContentID=5251

Education, “Ramsey earned his Bachelor of Science degree in Finance and Real Estate from the University of Tennessee.”
http://www.daveramsey.com/etc/cms/index.cfm?intContentID=2709

Combined with his experience there is nothing that disqualifies himes from doing what he does.

Sharing the gospel and worshipping God is certainly what we do when we come together in corporate worship. We share the gospel as we are going, everywhere, not just in worship service. Though I don’t know exactly how you’d qualify your statements of sharing the gospel in the church building. So would you say it’s primarily to proclaim the gospel to the lost whom have been brought into the church? Or proclaiming the gospel as part of the worship service in which the sheep are fed?

Various things take place within church buildings as its members are taught whatever they need to learn to help them be more responsible Christians such as in Sunday School. We are the church and we build church buildings so we can come together as a family primarily for corporate worship though other ministries may be promoted to reach and teach people, hopefully, done in faith as a testament to the gospel.

Mark

10 sosipater January 8, 2007 at 9:46 am

Mark,

Unbelievable.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with a church letting an organization use their building on a Saturday for teaching people practical ways to be better stewards of their money. Last time I checked it was the Protestant Reformers that balked at the ideas that any church building or “pulpit” was somehow spiritual, in and of itself. The church is not a building or a pulput, but the gathering of Christians who are Spirit led.

Unfortunately it seems this is a common problem in the blogosphere. Some people think they have been given the “keys to the internet” to defend all things holy and righteous, and their arguments are usually pretty dumb.

I think you did a good thing, getting up on a Saturday, sacrificing your time and enery, and helping people get their finances in order. And you did it in a big building where people meet for corporate worship the next day. Good for you.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Dave Ramsey’s theology, nor should it. As you said, he is teaching about finances, primarily getting out of debt. How profoundly Biblical.

Russ

11 sosipater January 9, 2007 at 9:22 am

Okay, I have had a day to mull over my comment. Let me just clear up a couple of things.

1. A church should be discerning in who they let use their building. I am in total agreement on that. And their theology should be part of the equation.

2. I didn’t mean to call anyone dumb. That was probably not the best word. I should have used a better one.

If my comment comes across as trying to squash discussion rather that foster it, please accept my apologies.

12 y m beck July 12, 2012 at 7:35 pm

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIS CREDENTIALS TO BE PROCLAIMED AN EXPERT IN FINANCIAL MATTERS. ALL THE SELLING AND ENDORSING THAT GOES WITH THE ADVICE IS MAKING SOMEONE A LOT OF MONEY. ADVISE FOR THE MASSES SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS THE GOSPEL FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL. THE GENERAL ADVICE IS GOOD BUT SOME OF THE STUFF HAS NO SOLID FINANCIAL FOUNDATION. CONSULT WITH A FINANCIAL PROFESSIONAL
THAT CAN

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